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LockeAndKey
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Ok I read this news story that said there were some pics of Sarah Palin naked floating around the internet so I looked it up and I found them, but I also found some stuff about her smoking pot, trying to build a bridge to nowhere, and she's a single mom raising five kids, one is a pregnant teen and the other has down syndrome. Is she seriously running for VP???
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Barack Obama admitted to smoking pot he said, "I did inhale, that was the point." I don't think smoking pot when they were younger necessarily makes them a bad person. I did in college and I think I turned out alright. But more interestingly where can I find these naked pics of Palin and why has nobody in the media made a big deal of it?
Oh and she isn't a single mom she is married. (Not that I think being married should be a prerequisite to being in the White House.)
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LockeAndKey
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I dunno Lost, doesn't sound like you have your facts straight. Her baby does have down syndrome and another of her teenage daughters is pregnant, and she does have five kids in total.
About the naked pics all you gotta do is a search on google or yahoo and there they are. Oh some family values, single mom of five with a pregnant teenage daughter and naked pics out, jeez.
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Man I never said she didn't have a child with downs syndrome or a pregnant teenage daughter. She is married though...I believe they are calling him the "First Hunk." Where did you hear she wasnt married???
By the way Im a Democrat but I just don't believe in people spreading lies about the candidates no matter what party they represent.
EDIT: Her husband's name is Todd. He was her High School sweetheart and they got married when they were 24.
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LockeAndKey
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Did you do a search for those pics? Eeek. Anyway, there is also alot of talk about this bridge to no where, she's been saying that she was against it, but said it was a great idea when she was running for congress, until she didn't have to anymore, and then she pancaked on the issue, oh yea she did the old John Kerry Flip-Flop.
How can she claim family values when she lies to the american people, and puts naked pictures of herself out for others to see?
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Well Im at work so I can't look up the pics of her. I think that would be a one way ticket to the unemployment line! Im gonna reserve judgement on wether they are legit until I see them. I find it hard to believe she has naked pictures on the internet and nobody in the major media outlets has reported it. Seems like a journalist's wet dream to me!
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| Um... who cares? Obama admitted that he used to do coke. They aren't doing it anymore, so I don't really care. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| LockeAndKey wrote: | | ...when she was running for congress... |
Your facts are all over the place here. She ran for Governer, NOT congress. And she isn't a single mom. If you are going to talk about this stuff, at least get your basic facts right.
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| LockeAndKey wrote: | | Anyway, there is also alot of talk about this bridge to no where, she's been saying that she was against it, but said it was a great idea when she was running for congress, until she didn't have to anymore, and then she pancaked on the issue, oh yea she did the old John Kerry Flip-Flop. |
Obama and Biden both voted for it too....
http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/obama-and-biden-voted-for-bridge-to-nowhere,1628/
If you think she's the only one flip flopping.....
Top Obama Flip-Flops
1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.
2. Public financing Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter.
3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."
4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."
5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.
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It does not matter who is President, or VP for that matter.
Teenaged mothers, Down Syndrome, Pot, shady underhanded dealings behind closed doors, etc... ALL of it is 100% moot
The Status Quo is not going to change one bit. An election will only give us just a new tool doing the same hack job.
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I'm glad to see a good discussion, thx everyone. Here's an article from yahoo news to back up everything I've been saying.
| Quote: | Timothy J. Burger and Tony Hopfinger
Thu Sep 11, 12:01 AM ET
Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate sent a signal that he would end business as usual and cronyism in government. Her record shows the Alaska governor engaged in some of the same practices she and McCain now condemn.
Palin's office approved a state job for a friend and campaign aide with whom she shared a land investment, financial records and interviews over the past two weeks show. She hired a former lobbyist for a pipeline company to help oversee a multibillion-dollar deal with that same company.
She named a police chief accused of harassment to head the state police. And she sent campaign e-mails on her city hall account while serving as mayor of Wasilla -- conduct for which she later turned in an oil commissioner on ethics charges.
These incidents raise ``some serious questions about her judgment and serious questions about her standards of ethics in public service,'' said James Thurber, director of American University's Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies in Washington. Suggesting a real estate investment partner for a job ``may be acceptable in Alaska; it would not be acceptable in Washington, D.C., a place whose norms she wants to change.''
Palin defeated an incumbent governor, a fellow Republican, in 2006 charging that her party's old guard had committed ethical lapses and become too cozy with special interests, including oil companies. A central theme in this year's presidential campaign has been that Palin's record demonstrates the change a McCain administration would bring to Washington.
Recent statements by the governor may erode that claim. In her acceptance speech last week, she suggested that she opposed the infamous ``Bridge to Nowhere,'' a $223 million earmark for a bridge to an island where only 53 people lived.
For It, Against It
When Palin, 44, campaigned for governor, however, she said she was in favor of the bridge. In 2007, she canceled the project in the face of national outrage. The state never returned the money allocated by the federal government, with some of the funds going toward other state and local projects.
And as mayor of Wasilla, a job she held for six years until 2002, Palin hired lobbyists to get federal funding for local projects. Wasilla secured $27 million in earmarks for the town of about 9,000 that included a rail project and a youth center.
Shortly after she was elected governor, Palin's office signed off on hiring Deborah Richter -- who attended college for a year then worked in bookkeeping and finance jobs -- as director of a division that distributes dividends to Alaskans from the state's oil-wealth savings account.
Richter, who said she's known Palin for 13 years, was Palin's gubernatorial campaign treasurer and ran her inaugural committee.
Sharing an Investment
The Richters and Palins also shared an investment: 30 acres of rural property near a lake in Petersville, Alaska, worth $47,300, according to Matanuska-Susitna Borough data.
``It sounds like a patronage deal for someone who ran your campaign; that's pretty normal,'' said Bill Buzenberg, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity in Washington. ``What's not normal is that they have business dealings together.''
No evidence has emerged to suggest that laws were broken in the appointment, and Richter said she ``didn't go in there with any promises from the governor or the chief of staff or anybody. I turned in my resume'' to the governor's transition team ``and I didn't know if anyone was going to call me.''
``She was qualified,'' said Pat Galvin, commissioner of the Department of Revenue and Richter's boss. Galvin said he also interviewed other people for the job and that Richter has done well. He said Palin's office approved his selection of Richter.
Not Palin's Decision
Palin's gubernatorial spokesman, William McAllister, said the decision to hire Richter was Galvin's. ``I have no knowledge of land ownership or college degrees,'' he said.
Deborah Richter gave up her share of the property last September in a divorce settlement that followed an affair with Palin's legislative director, John Bitney. Bitney and Richter both acknowledged the affair in interviews. Bitney said Palin fired him over it; Richter is still on the job. They are now married.
Last month, Palin signed a law granting TransCanada Corp., Canada's largest pipeline company, an exclusive state license and up to $500 million in subsidies to proceed with work on a $27 billion pipeline, which would carry natural gas from Alaska to other U.S. markets.
Once a Lobbyist
Marty Rutherford, the chief coordinator behind Palin's pipeline effort, once worked as an Alaska lobbyist for a TransCanada pipeline subsidiary, according to state records. Rutherford, deputy commissioner at the Alaska Department of Natural Resources, earned $40,200 as a lobbyist for 10 months in 2003 working for Foothills, the subsidiary.
Rutherford said in an interview that she only did consulting work for the company, including reviewing natural gas legislation. She said the work had no bearing on her future job as coordinator of Palin's pipeline team.
``I intended to leave state government when I went to Jade North, but as time went on I realized my heart was in government,'' she said, referring to the firm she briefly worked for.
Palin told the Anchorage Daily News last December that Rutherford's work with Foothills wasn't a conflict because it had been five years earlier.
Trooper Investigation
The governor already has triggered an investigation by the Alaska legislature into whether she fired the state commissioner of public safety, Walt Monegan, for not removing a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce from Palin's sister.
Palin has denied exerting any pressure on Monegan and said she dismissed him because she wanted to take the department in a new direction.
Since McCain picked Palin, seven Palin aides have declined to be interviewed on the matter by an investigator hired by the Alaska legislature, according to the House and Senate Judiciary committees.
Earlier this year, Palin found herself apologizing for her handling of Monegan's replacement. About six weeks before she learned McCain wanted her to be his vice president, she named Kenai, Alaska, police chief Charles Kopp to replace Monegan.
On July 25, two weeks after being appointed, Kopp resigned amid scrutiny over a 2005 sexual-harassment complaint against him while he was chief in Kenai. The complaint resulted in a letter of reprimand from the city, which Palin told reporters she never knew about and had believed that the allegations were unsubstantiated, according to the Anchorage Daily News.
Not a Harasser
In a July press conference, Kopp denied any harassment. ``I've always done every job I've ever done with honor and integrity,'' he said. ``There is one thing I am not. I am not a sex harasser.'' Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.
Asked about these episodes in Palin's career, McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds lauded her reform efforts. Bounds said Palin has allowed the public to scrutinize state financial information, ``cut wasteful spending by a quarter of a billion dollars just last year and ushered in landmark ethics legislation.''
The moment that crystallized her image as a reformer came when she turned in state Republican chairman Randy Ruedrich after discovering he was using his state e-mail account to conduct party business.
Palin and Ruedrich were serving together as commissioners on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, a state regulatory agency, at the time. Ruedrich resigned from the commission in November 2003, and was later fined $12,000, according to a 2004 article in the Anchorage Daily News.
In 2006, Palin found herself asking forgiveness for a similar offense from her past, according to a July 28, 2006, article in the Anchorage Daily News. She had sent campaign e- mails from her Wasilla mayor's office in 2002, when she made an unsuccessful run for lieutenant governor.
``For any mistakes like that (were) made, I apologize,'' Palin said of the e-mail controversy in July 2006, according to the Anchorage Daily News.
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----------------------From Yahoo! News. This was not written by me nor by 4815162342.com .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080911/pl_bloomberg/alulrclkxig4
Backwards facts, huh?
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It's more complicated than this story suggests. First of all, when a blogger (not a professional journalist) includes two spelling errors in one sentence, I get worried about whether the blogger has taken the time to get all of the information and then to convey all of it to us accurately. (If he doesn't have time to proofread, does he have time to read?)
I tried to look for actual news articles on this instead of just blogs in order to sort out the truth. A Google search just turns up lots and lots of blogs, but no professional news sources. When that happens, what that often means is that it's not judged as sufficiently newsworthy by professional journalists because the information is incomplete or misleading.
And when you read the blog text itself, you see that it's completely misleading. He makes the claim that they voted "for" the bridge in Alaska, and cites as evidence the fact that they voted AGAINST a Coburn Amendment to the 2006 Transportation Appropriations Bill, that included appropriations for ALL transportation spending in 2006 across the nation (the Alaska bridge was just one part of that). The Coburn Amendment proposed diverting some of the funds from the Alaska bridge to a bridge in New Orleans. Without knowing the details of that amendment, we cannot judge whether it was a good proposal or not. In fact, 82 Senators voted against that amendment and only 15 voted for it. So, I'm inclined to believe that the proposal may in some way have been flawed. (McCain was absent for the vote, so we don't know what he would have done had he been there.)
| Quote: | If you think she's the only one flip flopping.....
Top Obama Flip-Flops |
coach: Since there are so many false rumors and misinformation circulating around the Internet, I always need to go back to the original source to assess its validity and then try to find confirmation from two or more credible sources. So, what's your source here?
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| URAnother wrote: | | It's more complicated than this story suggests. First of all, when a blogger (not a professional journalist) includes two spelling errors in one sentence, I get worried about whether the blogger has taken the time to get all of the information and then to convey all of it to us accurately. (If he doesn't have time to proofread, does he have time to read?) |
So.....are you saying this is not true? They both did not vote for it?
| URAnother wrote: | | So, what's your source here? |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/24/AR2008022402094.html
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She's saying it's more complicated than it's being painted; that voting against an ammendment that alters a particular proposal is not the same as voting "for" the proposal; that this kind of reductionism is a slippery slope that doesn't take into account ... well, any nuance at all.
Here's the actual list of the role call vote for the Coburn Ammendment, which Biden, Obama and 80 other senators voted against (not including McCain, who wasn't there for the vote):
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00262
Here is the text of the ammendment in question (which was attached to a hundreds of pages long Transportation Bill I'll do us all the favor of not quoting):
| Quote: | Text of Amendment SA 2165. Mr. COBURN submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 3058, making appropriations for the Departments of Transportation, Treasury, and Housing and Urban Development, the Judiciary, District of Columbia, and independent agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other purposes; as follows:
At the appropriate place, add the following: Section 144(g)(1) of title 23, United States Code, is amended—
(1) in subparagraph (A)(ii), by striking “for the construction of a bridge joining the Island of Gravina to the community of Ketchikan in Alaska’’ and inserting “for the reconstruction of the Twin Spans Bridge connecting New Orleans, Louisiana, and Slidell, Louisiana’’;
(2) by striking subparagraph (B); and
(3) by redesignating subparagraph© as subparagraph (B).
(b) Item number 14 of the table contained in section 1302 of the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users (Public Law 109–59; 119 Stat. 1144) is amended—
(1) by striking “AK’’ and inserting “LA’’; and
(2) by striking “Planning, design, and construction of Knik Arm Bridge’’ and inserting “Reconstruction of Twin Spans Bridge connecting New Orleans and Slidell, Louisiana’’.
(c) The table contained in section 1702 of the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users (Public Law 109–59; 119 Stat. 1144) is amended—
(1) in item number 406—
(A) by striking “AK’’ and inserting “LA’’; and
(B) by striking “Planning, design, and construction of a bridge joining the Island of Gravina to the Community of Ketchikan’’ and inserting “Reconstruction of Twin Spans Bridge connecting New Orleans and Slidell, Louisiana’’;
(2) in item number 2465—
(A) by striking “AK’’ and inserting “LA’’; and
(B) by striking “Planning, design, and construction of Knik Arm Bridge’’ and inserting “Reconstruction of Twin Spans Bridge connecting New Orleans and Slidell, Louisiana’’;
(3) in item number 3323—
(A) by striking “AK’’ and inserting “LA’’; and
(B) by striking “Earthwork and roadway construction Gravina Access Project’’ and inserting “Reconstruction of Twin Spans Bridge connecting New Orleans and Slidell, Louisiana’’; and
(4) in item number 3677—
(A) by striking “AK’’ and inserting “LA’’; and
(B) by striking “Planning, design, and construction of Knik Arm Bridge’’ and inserting “Reconstruction of Twin Spans Bridge connecting New Orleans and Slidell, Louisiana’’.
(d) Item number 2 of the table contained in section 1934 of the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users (Public Law 109–59; 119 Stat. 1144) is amended—
(1) by striking “AK’’ and inserting “LA’’; and
(2) by striking “Improvements to the Knik Arm Bridge’’ and inserting “Reconstruction of Twin Spans Bridge connecting New Orleans and Slidell, Louisiana’’.
(e) Sections 1949, 4410, and 4411 of the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users (Public Law 109–59; 119 Stat. 1144) are repealed.
(f) No funds made available under this Act shall be used to plan, design, or construct, in the State of Alaska—
(1) the Knik Arm Bridge; or
(2) a bridge joining the Island of Gravina to the community of Ketchikan.
(g) Nothing in this section or an amendment made by this section affects the allocation of funds to any State other than the States of Alaska and Louisiana.
(As printed in the Congressional Record for the Senate on Oct 20, 2005.) |
More to the point, neither Biden nor Obama are attempting to score political points saying they "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." Palin is doing exactly that.
This "flip flop" thing didn't impress me when it got trotted out against John Kerry, and it doesn't do much for me now, regardless of which side tries to use it.
I'm much more afraid of a leader who doesn't change his or her mind in light of science, research, and information (see also: Bush, George W.)
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