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Turing's Ghost · Lost Expert Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 392

Pentangle A-Z. Black words hiding in the darkness. Few following this thread will ever read them. Pentangle; the story within many others here, will emerge slowly. It is quite relevant to actual past and current events, in LOST and beyond. Much within the text is camouflaged, including strings of link trails that jump around the lost metaverse. Why? It is a message inside the note in the proverbial ‘bottle.’ It was never intended for the eyes of the many; only the elect. The timeframes have yet to be determined, likewise many details of the 5 courses creating much of the PENTANGLE plot. Real events will determine the finale. This Matroshka like story in a really begins with an email written on 8/16/04, before LOST first aired. It both follows and transcends the 8/16/42 letter that started this Lost ‘point’ of the Pentangle. We started with four farsighted individuals seeking to insure that the bully pulpit offered by electronic communications would not be compromised. Now we jump ahead to that envisioned new millennium. Some of the ‘disappeared’ as well as ‘ghosts’ haunting this forum will be reviewed. Social networks functioning on various levels with vague agendas will also be considered. Looking through the Looking Glass? Stepping on through to the other side? The Watcher remembers, the mirror reflects.
This prologue will focus primarily on one aspect of the recursive structure of LOST: the timeline. It is part of my conjecture that mirror numbers and realities will all evolve as a series of retro-loops within the plot. This includes jumping around in time, as we have already seen. All will begin and end in real time. As Pentangle is a history-based mirror fiction of LOST, the show will become a future based fictional mirror of their/our reality. The time frame at the end will loop back to the beginning of our mutual observation; Flight 815.

We know LOST will end in 2010. It began, both in reality and within the story, on 9/22/04. This matching of the date in the plot with that of its airing was a clue that timeframes would play a big role in the mystery that followed. It would be quite consistent with what has been presented so far for all we’ve witnessed to ultimately be revealed as a flashback from some future point. Making this date 5/18 will provide the final mirror number occurrence, looping back to where our mutual observation began; the end of Flight 815. This would be a truly Escheresque recursion!

The easiest way for the creative team to maintain a coherent timeline would be to present all the events in retrospect. Having the date LOST ends match the date within the show would also be consistent with the way it began. We will likely learn before the last 2 part finale that all has been a flashback by certain key characters. I suspect this was a major factor in Lindelöf and Cuse saying they would walk if an end date couldn’t be agreed upon. They needed that termination point. Without it they could only create the kind of story loop similar to what Escher did above; based on illusionary, illogical pathways.

All we have seen, from my perspective of the plot, are past events. We will continue to view what happened in terms of the story until 2010. This will explain all the timeframe anomalies without going into the realm of sci-fi/fantasy or the paranormal. TPTB have assured us this would not happen. What is viewed in contrast to ’04 as ‘flashing’ forward in time to ’07, will by 2010 all be in the past, for both the survivors and for us. Understanding this kind of recursion will help to really follow the LOST chronology/plot, and that of the Pentangle. It won’t be absolutely necessary though; like a song you like without understanding all the words.

Consider; it was a 2007 model Mercedes (below) in what some are now calling a ‘flash-forward’ from this seasons first episode. Problem is, there are no such ‘flashes’ in the real world. We have moments of deja vous, but not from the future OR the present. Was it coincidence the year they were revisiting in the finale is again the same-’07-as when the show was aired? Don’t be surprised if we learn later the 2010 flashbacks from this season’s finale all took place on 5/23/07.

Some believe in premonitions, though none can really be verified. Detailed visions of events in our future however, are clearly impossible. The writers pledge that all would be rationally explained should also rule out: time travel; equations precisely predicting Armageddon; numerous people surviving a plane breaking into 3 sections in flight at 1000 feet; and nanotech security systems that can drag people along the ground or cause them to revisit life altering moments from their past.

Heisenberg proved via his ‘Uncertainty Principle’ that the observed are inevitably affected and altered by the very act of observation. This theme is prominent in LOST, from the hatches to Dharma itself. Do you find it plausible, given the amount of money at stake, that ABC wouldn’t be observing the discussions on sites such as this? Have we been ‘affected?’ Are those who observe also being watched, as in LOST? If you read PENTANGLE you will better understand how recursion will come into play telling the stories of the ‘survivors’ of Flight 815 as well as the one woven into this thread. The beginning of the end is also the end of the beginning in this story.

A CHANGE IN PERSPECTIVE:

What has been presented in Pentangle thus far has dealt primarily with the past aspects of how LOST began. Now we shall ‘flash-forward’ from 1942 when the Dharma Initiative launched us into the present; “Days of Future Past?”

There are countless dilemmas facing all of us that mirror those of the castaways. If we have to live together or die alone, which will we choose? Which will they? What can we learn through our thorough examinations of their choices? What will be the influence of the fan-sites on the future direction of the show? Has anything of value been learned? Can we connect the dots in time? Next, on LOST……..

______________________________________The Lies shall reveal the truth. For those who would point out 5/18/10 falls on a Tuesday, I believe they will bump the finale ahead one day to end on this mirror number. The rest computes if the last sixteen episodes begin the first Wednesday in February. From here this thread will travel just beyond LOST into a larger story’s genesis. It will show how an earlier series of events created a ripple on this site and became: Literary Ontological Simulation Triangulator. Deconstruct!

Agent Dale Cooper · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject:

Read it...have to digest it...
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zombie_soiree · I know the secret Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 16442

I love it so far, TG. Waiting to see the update before I comment. Very Happy

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IamTotallyLost · Lost is my Life Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 651

So, basically "The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version."... bleh.

Cocaine-Love-Frenzy · Lost Junkie Joined: 03 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

anyways, TuringsGhost, you're theories are intriguing, and i honestly can't wait to see what else you have to say about this.

Turing's Ghost · Lost Expert Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 392

Agent Dale Cooper · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:34 am Post subject:

Trying to think back about Riemann and what he said about transfinite numbers and how that might factor in....but should the milion dollar prize ever be claimed it would mean the end of things as we know it...collapse of bank commerce for one thing........This thread has me thinking deep..thanks
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just another other · Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject:

This is interesting reading, but where are you going with it? How exactly does this stuff relate?
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BigbadAds · Lost Aficionado Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 196

I think it is possible as viewers of lost we are subject to quantum indeterminacy or the observer's paradox as stipulated by the quantum theory of superposition (Erwin Schrodinger 1936). I really can't be arsed to try and explain this fully, but essentially... Schrodinger proposed that if he placed his cat in a sealed box with a tiny amount of radioactive material and a cannister of hydrocyanic acid, and the vial of acid would only break and result in the cats death if a single atom of the radioactive substance were to decay. What all this meant according to Schrodinger is that whilst the box remained closed, and the observer did not know if the radioactive material had decayed or not , thus did not know whether the cat was dead or alive, then the cat actually existed in two states (dead and alive) at once. It is only when the box is opened that the cat becomes either dead OR alive.

My point here is the Lost island is Schrodingers box, the Losties are the cat. Are they dead or alive? Only opening the box will reveal this.

P.S No cats were harmed in this experiment...

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Turing's Ghost · Lost Expert Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 392

lachymac · Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:37 am Post subject:

i wrote this in the sissy wenchfry the other day...

its a more detailed description of the time travel thing...

oh and by the way it has been proved... i'll explain after this...

NEVER!!.. it's not magic.. it's science... please let me explain...

ok.. if you COULD do this then it would actually work.. now.. we should all know that it is not physically possible to travell at the speed of light.. and if you dont then now you do..

it's not that we cant make a mchine that does it (although we cant) it's just that it's impossible even if you did have a machine that could do it you still couldnt do it lol.. now obviously, everything is made up of atoms.. in these atoms are eletrons, protons and neutrons.. maybe some other stuff but i dunno lol.. the electrons are the bits spinning around the protons and neutrons, they are spinning extremely fast, ALMOST, the speed of light.. now because they are so close to the speed of light, even if you just walk at 2m/ph or so those electrons actually slow down BECAUSE they can not excede the speed of light.. so as they get to the top or bottom of their tiny orbit, depending on which direction you're going they'll have to slow down, they can speed up again as they spin the other way but they slow down during that brief time that they are going the same direction as you are..

now obviously when you are walking the difference is going to be so minute that it's not worth mentioning.. something like trying to go the edge of the universe but only walking to your front door..

so even if you were travelling in a plane going the speed of sound it wouldnt make that much difference.. almost none.. just like the difference between .999recuuring and 1 lol

BUT if you were to get into a space shuttle that could orbit the earth at NEAR the speed of light every electron in every atom in your body would have to slow down imensely so as not to excede the speed of light..

i think the figure is.. if you travel very close to the speed of light the electrons would slow down enough so as that if you orbited the earth for one day in your own relative time, then six months would have passed on earth and you would have only aged a day..

now you dont notice this difference because time is relative so to you, you still think you are moving at a normal speed but because all of those electrons have slowed down, you have to, including your aging process..

so basically if someone could watch you while you were in this near light speed orbit all they would see is you moving very, very slowly.. so slow that you would appear motionless except that after a few days you would noitice a difference in position...

now that all makes sense to me lol but if anyone has any questions because i've explained it badly ASK AWAY..

So YES, TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE but only into the future..

Now for how it was proved...

NASA sent an atomic clock into orit around the earth and left it to orbit at the highest speed they could get it for like 5 years... this atomic (atomic meaning it gets its time via satelites which map the exact position of the earth relative to the sun and sets itself to within billionths and bilionths of a second, hence it's always synchronised with other atomic clocks) came back to earth after 5 years and was all of a sudden a couple of hundreths of a second behind any other atomic clock... hence proving the theory... now a few hindreths of a second might not seem like much but in the scale of how accurate these clocks are, it's a lot... a hell of a lot...
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zombie_soiree · I know the secret Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 16442

At this point I feel like I can contribute something, but let me first see if I am following your train of thought:

"Lost"-qua-television show is essentially the most visible manifestation of a didactic exercise that repeats itself from writ-large (TV, multi-million dollar pilot) to writ-small (online subplots) to writ-smaller still (online communities) to writ-incredibly-small (online "entities" like ourselves). At each instance, "Lost" is fully repeated--a whole show, a whole ARG, a whole online community, a whole person--with a beginning and end. Some finish before others, so we get a sense of time travel--i.e. we can see the end of "Lost" the TV show before we end our lives. According to the recursive nature of "Lost," in fact, the show much complete its cycle before we can complete ours. The full cycle of this program is simply one stage in our own cycle. The purpose of launching this project, from the creators' part, was basically to put things in motion--to "spin" larger web communities and individuals in a particular way, like a collection of dreidels.

Correct me if I'm misreading you.

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