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gudge · Last edited by gudge on Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:03 pm; edited 1 time in total

Hello once again friends and foes. EDIT AT END OF POST

I just had a thought about what would happen *if* some sort of time travel was happening on the island. and then it hit me: Donnie Darko.

For you to get this theory, i have to explain Donnie Darko. I dont mean you have to have seen it, i mean i have to explain it. because i dont know anyone else that understands it. After the Donnie Darko explaination, i will give the lost theory. here goes:

Time is a straight line, and everything is fine. One day, there is a rip in space and time. Due to this rip, a sort of short circuit is caused in time. Due to this 'short cicuit' time will cease and a black hole will be created, destroying the universe, unless a specific object and a specific person are at a specific place at a specific time. In Donnie Darko, Donnie is the 'superhero' and the special object is the jet engine that crashes through his bedroom and came from a plane his mother and sister were on 28 days in the future.

Still with me? Good.

So Donnie does not know he is a 'superhero' and for the universe to continue he must sacrifice himself, or at least not when the film starts. In the film, Donnie reads a book called The Philosophy of Time Travel, and as Donnie says in the film, it describes everything he sees. I will now give a brief run down of what the book describes and its relevance to Donnie Darko.

Chapter 1 - The Tangent Universe

The film is set mainly in the 'tangent universe' and this is the 'short circuit' i disgussed before.

Chapter 2 - Water and Metal

the book states "water and metal are the key elements of time travel" - basically water is what causes a portal, and metal is what can pass through.

The tangent universe starts when the jet engine (metal) falls through Donnies ceiling

Chapter 4 - The Artifact and the Living

"When a tangent universe occurs, those living nearest to the Vortex will find themselves at the center of a dangerous new world."

Donnies bedroom was right underwhere the Artifact (jet engine) dropped from the sky. and his world was turned upside down.

The book states that the Artifact is often deemed as devine intervention because it comes from 'nowhere' as far as most people can tell.

Chapter 6 - The Living Reciever

The Living Receiver is the "chosen one" who must guide the artifact to its spectific place and time. Noone knows how or why the Living Receiver is chosen - hence at the end Donnie teleports back to his room and dies, but life goes on.

"The Living Receiver is often blessed with Fourth Dimensional Powers - these include increased strength, telekinesis, mind control and the ability to conjure Fire and Water"

"The Living Receiver is often tormented by terrifying dreams, visions and auditary hallucinations during his time within the tangent universe"

Obviously, Donnie could see a giant bunny rabbit that was pretty freaky, so i dont need to go into that anymore really.

"Those surrounding the living receiver, known as the manipulated, will fear him and try to destroy him"

The bully that puts a knife to his throat, etc.

Chapter 7 - The Manipulated Living

"The manipulated living are often the friends and close relatives of the living receiver. They are prone to irrational, bizarre and often violent behavior. This is the unfortunate result of their task, which is to assist the living receiver in transporting the artifact to the primary universe. The manipulated living will do anything to save themselves from oblivion"

Again, as i say, the bully.

Next though we get much more interesting.....

Chapter 10 - The Manipluated Dead

"The Manipulated Dead are more powerful than the Living Receiver. If a person dies within the tangent universe, they are able to contact and manipulate the living receiver through the Fouth Dimensional Construct."

"The Manipulated Dead will often set a trap for the living receiver to ensure that the artifact is safely returned"

so basically, Frank (the guy in the bunny suit that Donnie shoots) kills Gretchen by running her over. This means Donnie will go back to save Gretchen, and also that Frank can now travel back and manipulate Donnie.

Chapter 12 - Dreams

"When the Manipulated awaken from their journey to the tangent universe, they are often haunted by the experience in their dreams. Many will not remember."

So now its tiem to link all of this to Lost

I suggest to you all that when the flight 815 arrived at the island, it was not only a rip in time but space also, it moved the plane to another place. Now we only have so long until the universe ends - eg the Valenzetti Equation.

The 'list' is to find out who could be the living receiver, the chosen one on the island.

Bearhead · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:55 am Post subject:

I like it gudge it makes sense, well more sense than the Donnie Darko movie made to me anyway Very Happy

The bit about conjuring fire and water again links to the Djinn as it says their element needs to be in place for them to be summoned or conjured maybe. Could Smokie be the manipulated dead there has been talk of it being controlled/manipulated ? Could Walt be the living reciever we've been lead to believe that he is the special one ? but if thats the case we havent seen anyone or thing try to destroy him. Good theory though Very Happy

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hairypineapple · Lost Addict Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Posts: 25

But everything in Lost is Scientifically possible so the writers say, and its not possible to travel back in time, only forwards.

qu4d · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject:

green78 · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject:

I never fully understood Donnie Darko but I like the analogy, I will watch it again Smile

You may think another way - many of the characters repeat from time to time ( I can remember Ben doing that).

"Kill me - it doesn't matter because I'm already dead" or something like that. I've heard that from other characters but I cannot recall right now.

What if we have something like "6th sense" situation, living dead...

The worst thing so far in Lost is that everything is still possible and it can be anything: a pure coincidence, fate, island, snowglobe, virtual game...

I also dislike the idea of time travel even though Desmond makes 'dramatic' predictions. He may have become psychic - like the Australian guy, whose daughter drowned in the river and came back from the dead. Desmond doesn't know what will happen, he's only guided to do what he does... that's my opinion..

Anyway, nice theory
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Confidence Man 2 · Lost Junkie Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 75

Well, not just anything is still possible.
The writers have ruled out theories such as snow globe, purgatory and time warp, amongst others.
And I'm fairly certain I read they confirmed that the plane did not crash accidentally - that it crashed for a reason. Can anyone else confirm that?

Confidence Man

gudge · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject:

time travel is possible in the realms of the 10 dimensions i have discussed before in other threads. its not to travel *through* time so much as to jump to another point, through a small vortex.
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first_creation · Lost Junkie Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 70

I love Donnie Darko and thanks for helping me understand it more. I think this is a great theory and they both link in well, good stuff.

Locke_and_Boone · Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject:

Woah........... Shocked

Nice......
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BashenMan · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:12 am Post subject:

gudge · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:15 am Post subject:

cheers kids, glad people liked Laughing

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first_creation · Lost Junkie Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 70

Where did you learn about all this, and the meanings of Donnie Darko? Please link me. Cheers

gudge · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:28 am Post subject:

warsman11 · Lost Aficionado Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 114

great theroy it makes sense.

performingmonkey · Lost Expert Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 443

Yeah similar ideas have been used in Lost (and we'll probably see more, what with Desmond's 'powers' and everything) but there's no way it can turn out exactly like Donnie Darko, Richard Kelly surely wouldn't accept that.

The Lost answers/explanation will be much simpler than Donnie Darko mostly due to the fact that it's a huge network show and in the end they won't want to confuse their audience too much. Maybe time travel will be relevant this season but I just cannot see them using a series-long arc that involves the Lostees (or a chosen one of the Lostees) saving the world by correcting a tear in time or something. Saying the characters are gonna save the world is too similar to Heroes anyhow, they won't go down the same path even if Lost was created before Heroes.
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