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Charlie_boone_sawyer_jack
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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: **LOST VISIONS** 2/10 Update |
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This explains visions all the way up until the episode The Cost Of Living. Currently at update 1.7. Please have a read, i know it's long but i think it might be worth it. 
SEASON 1 VISIONS
SEASON 2 VISIONS
SEASON 3 VISIONS
SEASON 4The Beginning Of The End
Hurley's "vision" (It's unknown what it is but for now i'll consider it a vision) of Jacobs Cabin and Charlie.
First we see Charlie in the interogation room, thing.
Hurley watches the convienent store tape and all of a sudden, turns into a underwater theme. A man approches and breaks open the glass with 'They Need You' written on his hand.
Water rushes in causing Hurley to believe the room will be flooded and he would drown, just like Charlie's death.
Q: Why would Hurley have this vision?
A: Something was written on Charlie's hand which was 'They Need You'. It's a message given to Hurley by Charlie himself.
Q: Who is they?
A: The people at the island still in need of rescue or maybe even the frieghter people. Maybe Hurley cannot say anything about the rest of the survivors and they are in danger, maybe they think that the Oceanic 6 are the only survivors and Charlie is giving Hurley the message that he is needed.
Vision number 2: Jacobs Cabin
Hurley seperates from the group and finds a cabin, aka Jacobs Cabin. They question is did Hurley REALLY see this cabin? Or did the island want Hurley to see it? He goes into the cabin, gets freaked out and runs away but the cabin still haunts him by going whereever he goes.
Q: What is the significance of Hurley finding Jacob's cabin?
A: Locke said that Walt told him to go to Jacobs cabin, maybe the island was trying to tell Hurley this too for some reason.
Q: Why did it disappear then follow him again?
A: I think something is in Jacobs cabin that leads Locke's group to the next step of finding the saftey Locke thinks they are looking for.
Vision 3: Charlie
Hurley is at the mental insitution when his buddy points out that there is a man staring at him and he is revealed as Charlie telling Hurley he needs to go back.
Q: How did Hurley's buddy also see Charlie?
A: I don't know! 
Q: Why did Charlie come back to Hurley to tell him he needs to go back?
A: Hurley didn't get it the first time which seems to be a recurring theme in visions that they get a vision twice with the same message but more clearer everytime so they can get it in their head. Charlie obviously wants Hurley to go back but the real question is why?
Q: How come Hurley wants to go back and told Jack but then Jack is VERY against the idea but in a matter of months after his cool beard growth, he wants to do the same thing and basically cries over it?
A: Hurley wasn't even thinking of going back to the island before Charlie gave him a message. Maybe, the same thing happend to Jack he started getting messages or visions that he needed to go back and the visions kept haunting him like the did with Hurley ie: him seeing Charlie in the convienent store.
HALLUCIOGENS
Thanks to joemoron2000 he provided this information on hallucingens i thought it was interesting because some of the side effects sounds like what the Losties have. More information research will be posted soon.
Hallucinogenic drugs are substances that distort the perception of objective reality. The most well-known hallucinogens include phencyclidine, otherwise known as PCP, angel dust, or loveboat; lysergic acid diethylamide, commonly known as LSD or acid; mescaline and peyote; and psilocybin, or "magic" mushrooms. Under the influence of hallucinogens, the senses of direction, distance, and time become disoriented. These drugs can produce unpredictable, erratic, and violent behavior in users that sometimes leads to serious injuries and death. Drownings, burns, falls, and automobile crashes have also been reported. In 1993, hallucinogens were associated with almost 10,000 hospital emergency room visits and approximately 200 deaths.
What are the physical risks associated with using hallucinogens?
increased heart rate and blood pressure
sleeplessness and tremors
lack of muscular coordination
sparse, mangled, and incoherent speech
decreased awareness of touch and pain that can result in self-inflicted injuries
convulsions
coma
heart and lung failure
What are the psychological risks associated with using hallucinogens?
a sense of distance and estrangement
depression, anxiety, and paranoia
violent behavior
confusion, suspicion, and loss of control
flashbacks
behavior similar to schizophrenic psychosis
catatonic syndrome whereby the user becomes mute, lethargic, disoriented, and makes meaningless repetitive movements
People under the influence of hallucinogens frequently cause themselves physical harm or exhibit violent behavior toward others.
Jimson weed, also known as angel's trumpet, can cause serious illness or even death.
Using hallucinogens can affect learning and memory.
Everyone reacts differently to hallucinogens--there's no way to predict if you can avoid a "bad trip".
The efect of hallucinogens can last for 12 hours--do you really want to lose control of your body and mind for that long?
Don't get doped into thinking that taking hallucinogens will lead you to self-discovery.
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Branderson
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I say its all bs, try looking at one of joemoron2000's posts |
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Charlie_boone_sawyer_jack
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry but what do you mean? The visions are bs?
Honestly, i don't think so... its huge in the show.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Lost Visions 1.0 |
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| Charlie_boone_sawyer_jack wrote: | Q: What does finding the log have to do with the hatch's importance? And what does this have to do with Locke finding his way again?
A: In the season 2 finale, Desmond comes back.. they both lock Eko out of the hatch after Locke annonces he is not going to push the button. Desmond reluctently agrees and views over the log... noticing the system failure. The island was HOPING that if Locke saw this, he would change his mind, but it was too late. |
I Really Like This Idea. Never Looked At It That Way But This Really Makes Sense Of The Importance Of John Visitng The Pearl.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, good work pulling that all together, CBSJ!!!
Personally, I always thought Locke's black and white eyes represented something else: the forces of good and evil pulling at the soul of man. Every person must struggle to make the right decisions, and these affect their future. Much of this has to do with perception--how you understand/see your life, other people, and your problems. Claire's decision to give up the baby was wrong--a bad move--and her dream reflects her fear of being punished for this misdoing. It is part of how she learned to embrace motherhood.
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Charlie_boone_sawyer_jack
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! 
Im going to update the rest of the visions tonight and then review and add more to each one!
Im so glad you like it guys, thanks 
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Update to Lost Visions 1.5
Whats new- New details on Raised By Another and Deux Ex Machina. Let me know what you think!
EDIT--- Also added part of Question Mark II, please read I think it's VERY important.
EDIT--- Also added, Further Instuctions.
Any other responses? I would like to know what more people think
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tatibsblp
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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well the crips are not the same at all...they are very different.. the wierd thing is the mobile with claire´s fav. song as a child.....
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Yup your right Tat thanks.
I just fixed it, i ment to say they were different because i know the one in Maternity Leave was a brown colored crib but i forgot to mention it.
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any time
and i don´t know if she saw the plane (oceanic toyplanes) mobile just beacuse she had a trauma after the plane crash or because she had a vision of her future in the staff hatch
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Raised By Another
Claire
| quote lost-tv.com wrote: | Shot of Claire's eye opening. We hear a baby crying and see Claire looking around. She sits up and she isn't pregnant. She hears the baby cry, gets up and walks into the jungle to find the baby. We see Locke sitting at a table with a lamp, tarot cards, a table runner, and crystals. He's dealing the cards [but we can't see what they are]. We hear the sound of a sword being unsheathed. There is wind and motion in the trees.
CLAIRE: What's happening?
LOCKE: You know what's happening.
CLAIRE: But I don't understand. Why --?
LOCKE: He was your responsibility but you gave him away, Claire. Everyone pays the price now.
[Locke looks up and has one black eye and one white eye. We hear the baby crying and see Claire running through the jungle. She sees a crib and goes to it. It has a mobile with Oceanic airplanes hanging from it. There is shaking and a sound of the what the airplane might have sounded like when it was crashing. The planes on the mobile start spinning around, at least one is broken. There are a bunch of blankets in the crib. Claire starts digging through them and comes to a pool of blood. Her hands are all bloody. She starts screaming. Shot of Claire screaming near the caves. Charlie is trying to calm her down. Michael, Jin, and Sun, Hurley run up. |
Episode starts with an eye shot of Claire in the vision. As we all know the eye shots are interesting and a intruiging question.
Claire realizes she no longer is carrying her baby in her stomach.
Locke at the table. Now this is where it starts to get interesting.
Later on in the episode Claire goes to her physic.. now we start seeing some connections.
The table, the rocks, and the lamp, all the same in Claires vision.
Back to the vision.
This is probably the most symbolic part of the vision, the one black and one white eye. There are several questions asked in this specific part.
Q: What could this mean?
A: As we know in Raised By Another, the flashbacks, Claire wants to give her baby up for adoption after being left by Thomas but is stopped by a phsyic who tells her it cannot be raised by another. Now on the island, Claire has no choice but to keep the baby. To Richard Malkin, the phsyic her giving up the baby is good, something that will get rid of all the danger she faces if she does not. This symbolizes the white eye. Claire wanting to give it up for adoption, is bad. We get signs of this too.. the pens mysteriously stop working when she goes to sign the adoption papers. Symbolizing the black eye.
Q: So what does Locke represent?
A: Richard Malkin. For some reason, Locke may remind Claire of Richard, the age maybe anything.
Q: Why is he representing Richard Malkin?
A: As noticed before Locke is sitting at the same table as Richard was when he was giving Claire's reading... the lamp, rocks, little table cloth runner... everything is the same.
LOCKE: He was your responsibility but you gave him away, Claire. Everyone pays the price now.
This quote said by Locke is key in this part. "He was your responsibilty but you gave him away."
Now it's time for a flash forward to Maternity Leave.
This part in Maternity Leave is when Ethan asks Claire if she is sure she wants to give them the baby in their care.
Claire agrees, being drugged of course. And that is where that line Locke says plays in.
Back to the vision.
The crib. Very familar right? This fast forwards again to Maternity Leave, where we see the crib, slighty different in Maternity Leave though with the same Oceanic brand mobile wheel.
Lets not forget this quote from Libby.
LIBBY: Claire, what you saw could be combining experiences of what happened before the crash to the night you were having dreams here on the island.
This is exactly where the mobile comes in, both instances where Claire had visions of the mobile... it was more like flash fowarding to Maternity Leave and then in Maternity Leave she was flashing back to Raised By Another.
Lets not forget... the significance of the episode name: Raised By Another.
Could be changed into Raised by An OTHER.
Now this part can hold some other symbolic significance. I said before Locke could be representing another side of Richard Malkin.
Q: What is with the cards?
A: If you look closley, the back of them are black and white symbolizing the black and white references we have been getting. Not only that but if Locke is representing Richard Malkin in one way or another. So Locke doesn't seem to be playing with the cards... just looking at them. This could mean he is reading peoples future.
Lets bring up what Claire is wearing.
Like Boone in Deus Ex Machina vision, she is wearing one of those chinese symbols, which could mean something.
Q: Who has the baby?
A: We see in the vision someone is running in the jungle, we don't get a good look at the person though but we know it must be something. This whole vision is based on Claire and her baby and her giving it away. As we know in Maternity Leave the others are the one that took Claire and planned to take her baby. So i think the person symbolizes the others and what kind of people they are. Remember the name of the episode Raised By Another which can be changed into Raised By An Other maybe this is where that name takes place.
Deus Ex Machina
Locke
| lost-tv.com wrote: | We see Locke re-building the trebuchet. Boone enters.]
LOCKE: You're late.
BOONE: Late for what?
LOCKE: Late for work.
BOONE: I think I'm done working, John.
LOCKE: I'm sorry, what?
BOONE: It's useless. You can't open that thing up. You say you can but you can't.
LOCKE: No, don't tell me what I can't do.
BOONE: Don't you get it? It's a dead end. You're not getting in.
LOCKE: That's impossible. We didn't find this by accident. We're supposed to...
BOONE: Oh, we're supposed to. We're supposed to find this, right? We're supposed to open it, right? Then tell me something, John, if we're supposed to open it, then why the hell haven't we opened it yet?
LOCKE: The island will send us a sign.
BOONE [sarcastically]: The island will us a sign.
LOCKE: All that's happening now is our faith is being tested - our commitment. But we will open it. The island will show us how.
BOONE: What kind of kind of sign will the island send us? Huh, John?
[We hear the sound of an airplane engine. Locke looks up to see a small, smoking plane looking like it's going to crash.]
LOCKE [pointing]: Did you see that? Boone?
[Boone is looking up at the sky. There's a quick inserted shot of Boone all bloody. Locke hears a metallic sound and looks around to see his mother pointing. |
Now this part may be very important for the WHOLE vision.
Boone is talking very sarcastically in the vision and at first tells Locke what he can't do, which is something Locke does NOT like. Boone says he think he is done working... basically saying, the hatch is not going to open and he's going to give up, Locke can do it on his own. I think the island is definitally giving Locke these visions for several reasons. It actually seems like Locke is COMMUNICATING with the island trying to understand it more, hense it is giving Locke the next step to opening up the hatch since he is fustrated and lost and is not sure what to do because he has tried so many times.
Now, before Boone and Locke tried to open the hatch using the trebuchet but fails. Now i noticed when Locke and Boone wind it up all the way to the top music plays kind of like in suspence and slams down. This i think symbolizes Boone falling off the cliff. He reached to the top and fell down, Locke thought it was all wrong and didn't understand how it would get him to open up the hatch at the moment.
During the vision while Boone is chanting Thresea falls up and down the stairs, there is transmission static heard in the background symbolizing the static Boone heard while in the drug plane. Secondly, there was also a loud crashing sound and Locke turned around to see his mother pointing up to the top of the cliff. This means that Boone fell and the island wants to give Locke the picture he needs to get Boone to climb up there.
This probably MOST important is what Locke says in the vision while falling out of his wheelchair. "Don't take it back." This is VERRRRYYYY important. He is talking directly to the island. In this part he is paralyzed and confined to a wheelchair, Locke belives in the power of the island and he knows it gave him this gift and he KNEW Boone had to go up in the plane.
BOONE: Don't you get it? It's a dead end. You're not getting in.
This has a double meaning. Boone says it's a dead end, YOU'RE not getting in... but Boone is. The island is telling Locke he is not getting in the DRUG PLANE however Boone is.
The other meaning of course is the obvious that he is not getting into the hatch.
Locke looks up to what Boone is looking up at which is a beechcraft.
Lets not forget the shirt Boone is wearing at this moment. This is right after their failed attempt to open the hatch which is part of the vision.
The numbers on his shirt represent the numbers 4 and 8. Which can be symbolic in this.
Plane crashing.
This is where the symbolisim comes in. Boone bloody chanting "Thersea falls up the stairs Thresea falls down the stairs." Again, Boone wearing the shirt... meaning something very bad is going to happen.
Locke in his wheelchair which is more symbolisim. Later on in the episode he begins to loose feeling in his legs until Boone is severly injured.
Q: What is the significance of Boone saying Theresea fall up and down the stairs?
A: Symbolism once again. His baby sitter who one day fell down the stairs while baby sitting Boone and broke her neck.
Later on in the episode, Boone is the one to go up something and fall.
Q: What is the significance of Locke sitting at the base of the cliff in his wheelchair?
A: This comes into play later on in the show in the vision Locke has with Mr. Eko, which is explained later on. But right now this is showing danger for Locke meaning if Boone goes up the cliff, he's going to get hurt. But Locke on the other hand was given this amazing gift of the use of his legs back and he is risking loosing them again. The island doesn't want him to loose the use of his legs again.. therefore protecting him by sacraficing Boone. Meaning it's the island who is giving Locke these vibes.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I LOVE the Locke/Psychic connection! Love love love it! Has the whole "lamp rocking" thing been mentioned before? Or did you just find that out! That's great!!
Sorry..not done reading yet but I wanted to comment!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks!!!!!
I noticed it a while ago but never really thought about it until recently when i was making this theory i thought it was just coincidence at first.
This actually scared me:
quote Deus Ex Machina wrote:
We see Boone climbing up to the plane while Locke looks on. Boone slips.]
LOCKE: Hang on.
LOCKE: Boone? Boone?
BOONE: I'm fine.
LOCKE: Boone, what do you see? Boone?
quote Question Mark wrote:
Back on the island, we see Eko climbing up the cliff.]
LOCKE: Eko, be careful.
[Eko loses his grip and almost falls.]
LOCKE: Eko! Eko!
EKO: I'm fine.
[He gets to the top and surveys the landscape around him.]
LOCKE: Eko, what's up there? You see anything?
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| Charlie_boone_sawyer_jack wrote: | Thanks!!!!!
I noticed it a while ago but never really thought about it until recently when i was making this theory i thought it was just coincidence at first.
This actually scared me:
quote Deus Ex Machina wrote:
We see Boone climbing up to the plane while Locke looks on. Boone slips.]
LOCKE: Hang on.
LOCKE: Boone? Boone?
BOONE: I'm fine.
LOCKE: Boone, what do you see? Boone?
quote Question Mark wrote:
Back on the island, we see Eko climbing up the cliff.]
LOCKE: Eko, be careful.
[Eko loses his grip and almost falls.]
LOCKE: Eko! Eko!
EKO: I'm fine.
[He gets to the top and surveys the landscape around him.]
LOCKE: Eko, what's up there? You see anything? |
 umm...YEA that is a little weird...
if this is all indeed purposeful...it goes without argument that the writers are BRILLIANT..
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks SO much!!!
Oooh i also have to do the visions in The Cost Of Living.
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