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[gudge]

Before i get started, i would like to say i know its been talked of before. I know a lot you don't agree, but its a theory. and its my first with pretty pictures and the like and iv put effort in so dont shoot me straight down. Thanks. Oh, big thanks to all who have influenced my theory

and just to clear up, this theory is more about the origins of the island and not really much to do with Dharma.

HOW DID I GET HERE???

i initially read on here that if you type the numbers into MS Word on the keypad while holding ALT you get the symbol for Mu (µ)

i copied this symbol into Wikipedia, and it turns out that Mu is an ancient civilisation much similar to Atlantis. im not saying the island is definately either, but i think its heavily based on these Myths. Earlier drafts of this thread heavily reference Atlantis.

Instead, we are going to be referencing someone else from now on - Lemuria. The legends of Lemuria and Atlantis are very similar. But one thing is definately setting them apart - Lemuria came first.

SO LEMURIA CAME FIRST. HOW YOU GET TO THAT??? AND SO WHAT?

In the 1880's Madame Blavatsky wrote that she had been shown and read a book called "The Book of Dzyan" that pre-dated Atlantis and written by the Mahatmas. In that book Blavatsky said Lumuria sank due to massive underwater dissasters such as earthquakes and volcanos, and it sank with such force it caused the Earth to spin slower. She also said before it sank it was occupied by a "Third Root Race" - a "Root Race" is a period of human evolution accoridng to Blatavsky, the third of which were mentally underdeveloped and were hermaphrodites.

The Third Root Race spread from Lemuria accross the globe eventually dying out - leaving behind only a few "hybrid-races", but not before coming to an island that would later be named Lanka by our favourite Atlantians.

The Atlantians were the "Fourth Root Race", and they were really really rather intelligent. Popular myth states that the people of Atlantis were thousands of years ahead of any other civilisation on the planet, and took on everyone and won.

SO WHAT HAPPENED TO ATLANTIS???

Suddenly - in a day - Atlantis sank without trace, never to be seen again...... or did it?

One of 3 things happened if our island was indeed Atlantis. 1, it sank and is slowly coming back, but for whatever reason noone can see it from the outside (Dharma and the electromagnets?). or 2nd, it never sank but the Atlantians developed a way to hide themselves from the world. Im saying the former since at the time, Atlantians were the big dogs of the world and were taking everyone on and didnt need to hide. or 3...

Its not Atlantis. Its a remaining part of Lemuria. A remaining Hybrid-race remained, hermaphrodites but with the new intelligence of the Atlantians. A mix of the hybrids, who will have evolved for the better (to what we do not know), mixing with the survivors of the sinking of Atlantic. Along with their history passed down through the generations, the hybrid-race began to realise just how special the Lemuria was. Its massive energy caused the world to slow its spin - and the Lemurians wanted to harness this.

SIDE NOTE: It may be interesting to know that some scientists predict that in the not too distant future that humans will evolve and lose their little toes because, well, we dont need them. For the sake of this fictional tv show we love called Lost, and for my theory, im going to say that the hybrid-race of the remains of Lemuria could have also evolved to lose their toes. Hence the 4 toed statue



SO WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH LOST??

The Hybrid-race managed to harness the energy of Lemuria. Now slowly, they are raising Lemuria again - the island being the tip of one of its mountains. This would explain the 4 toed statue only having one leg as well as the other ruins (the wall with a hole where Sayid was supposed to meet Jack Kate Sawyer Hurley and Michael in the last ep of series 2), as well as how the Black Rock (the boat in the dark territory) got to be so far inland. If the island is rising, we could possibly assume that the hatches have actually been there all this time - possibly where the Hybrid-race lived and carried out its experiments to harness the power.

If the island was indeed always special, we could maybe assume that it was the Island that made the hybrid-race advanced? But how advanced? Save the cheerleader save the world advanced? Premonitions (Desmond?) Psychic ability (Ben?) Superstrength (Ethan?) Regeneration (Locke and Rose?).

If someone had those powers for a while, the powers could get stronger. The powers could be used for personal gain. Could it be that the hybrid-race was getting strong and taking over from the weaker Third Root Race, spreading the world, spreading violence, and dominating. Could it be that the island sank itself to stop the Hybrid-race ending the world as the hybrid-race would not confess and accept their sins, just like Eko?

SIDE NOTE: The hybrid-race were hermaphrodites. Both sex organs. We have fertilities doctors, Ben who has never left the island, and Tom telling Kate she isnt his type.

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MAPS OF THE ISLAND

The blast door map, simplified for transparency. Forget about the hatches and focus on the layout of the island, specifically the rivers.



this is a map of Atlantis by Athanasius Kircher made in 1669. It is drawn with South at the northern point. I know its Atlantis. What if he meant Lemuria? He could have become confused between stories of the 2 great lost continents, the are related after all!



Lets rotate the picture so that North is, in fact, facing upwards.



Look at the locations of the rivers in comparison to the blast door map. Pretty simlar, no?


Rousseaus map of the island.



Now i would like you to look at the 2 high points of the island she depicts. I feel they are quite similar once again to the Kircher map, the larger mountain to the West, the smaller to the East.


This is a fan made island map, but i think its pretty accurate.



Please give special attention to the location of the dock at the northwest of the island, and bare in mind that we think we saw another island from that dock (Hydra island?). Now please look once more at the Kircher map with North facing North. It seems we have an island at a close distance to the dock on the west of the island. And another island as well as that.........

SO WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY??

They were flying from Sydney to LA, and we know they were 1000 miles off course.

The Bermuda Triangle is 102 square miles in either an equalateral triangle shape or a trapezium off the eastern coast of america with points touching Bermuda, Puerto Rico and Miami, Florida. To be opposite the Bermuda Triangle on Earth you would be roughly somewhere on the flightpath from sydney to los angeles not too far from australia of its north east coast (in comparison to the rest of the journey).



"The Devils Triangle" was infact an earlier name for "The Bermuda Triangle". In 1951 E.V.W. Jones called it "The Devils Triangle", then in 1964 it was first referenced as "The Deadly Bermuda Triangle" in an article in Fate Magazine by Vincent Geddis.

So if it wasnt The Devils Triangle on the flightpath, what was it?

The Devils Sea is off the coast of Japan by about 60 miles - locating it in the Pacific. Between 1952-54 5 Japanese military ships disappeared, losing 700 people. Its apparently commonly linked with the story of the Bermuda triangle. I could not find any reference online to the estimated size of the Devils Sea, so in theory it could stretch a large distance of the Pacific Ocean, and into the flightpath of Flight 815.

(Big thanks as ever to qu4d for this pic:)



The Pacific ocean. Home of Lemuria.

When Desmond did not push the button, it caused *something* to happen and it let out the "forces" of the Bermuda Triangle/Devils Sea and cause bad things to happen to Flight 815. The energy of Lemuria was not harnessed by entering the numbers, and the s#!t hit the fan.

SO WHAT HAPPENED THEN?? WHAT THE HELL DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH 2 TRIANGLES ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE WORLD?

Time to get geeky. The following is a list of Dimensions, and what each one essentially is:

1ST DIMENSION: A single point in the universe. Smaller than small.

2ND DIMENSION: A straight line between 2 points.

3RD DIMENSION: Length, height and width. This is the Dimension we live in.

4TH DIMENSION: Duration, time. For example drawing a visible line from right now, to the time i finish writing.

5TH DIMENSION: Any possible change in the "straight" line from our 4th dimension. For example, i could finish writing this post, or my phone could ring in 10 seconds and i could talk to a friend instead. The 5th dimension is all the possiblities you can imagine in time, in a straight line as we perceive it.

6TH DIMENSION: A fold in time. NOT TIME TRAVELING! Imagine a 2 dimensional line on a piece of paper. You can fold the paper so the opposite ends of the line actually touch. The same can be said for time - it could in theory be folded. We wouldnt move through time - we would just jump to the different point in time.

7TH DIMENSION: Similar to the 4th Dimension in the it is a line of time, but rather than a line in time for one object, its a line of all the possible outcomes in our universe. So rather than a line in time from when i started writing this to the time i finish, its a massive line that from the Big Bang to the end of our universe, but its also every possible outcome of that line (similar to if i finish writing this or talk on the phone) The 7th dimension is infinity.

8TH DIMENSION: How do you go higher than infinity? You DO NOT. But you can have a completely different infinity. Something else instead of the big bang - totally different universes. The 8th dimension is the line drawn between 2 difference universes, and all its different possiblities

9TH DIMENSION: The fold between any point in between the different universes at any time.

10TH DIMENSION: A single point that is everything that could have ever happened in any universe that could have ever existed. In String theory, physisists tell us "Superstrings" vibrate in the 10th dimension causing sub atomic particles in every universe and dimension.

WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!?!?!?!?!

It is argued that gravity pulls even particles towards it. Well to stop the center of the earth exploding it lets off some of these subatomic particles to even out the gravitational compression, apparently through the Bermuda triangle, and then possibly the Devils Sea (if it is on opposite sides of the planet).

Now the idea that escaping gases could sink ships and cause our losties to crash is a bit silly. But what it could be is these sub-atomic particals from the 10th dimension, causing a sort of wormhole. To us it would look like flight 815 was blinking in and out of reality - but its actually just moving somewhere else by folding time, space, and the universes.

When Desmond didnt push the button, the subatomic particals were released at a massive pressure, bringing flight 815 from the Devils Sea to wherever the hell they are.

I now believe they are in the Atlantic ocean, on Atlantis, many many years ago!

So, our Losties could be ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME!

WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK SMOKE?? SEEMS TO COME WITH THE ISLAND, DOESNT IT?

Definately check this out http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31280 its the best smokie theory iv read.

To link to that brilliant theory, he happened to mention the Devils Sea as a possible location of the island, to an island with no magnetic north. This is due to the harnessed powers of the island. its also a good reason by Kirchers map shows Atlantis (or should i say Lemuria and he got mixed up) as showing North at the bottom of the map.

As for the Djinns and Smokie - they were sent out to protect the paradise of their superior human masters. The Djinn are still knocking about to protect paradise. But who the hell are they working for?

or if not that, then maybe they are in another universe where Djinn are the main creatures, and they dont take kindly to human from another universe coming into it!

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE ANSWERED THEN CRAIG???

Where are they? - Atlantis / Lemuria

How they get there? - Subatomic partical released by Desmond causing Flight 815 to move from The Devils Sea to Atlantis via a fold in Dimensions

What where Pennys science guys looking for? - Releases in subatomic energy around the Pacific Ocean and the Bermuda triangle.

The Black Rock? - Either ran ashore due to rising Atlantis or was again transferred, but from the Bermuda (common slave route).

Desmonds future seeing? - When he turned the key the hatch imploded, sucking in much of the subatomic energy. It ran through him, and now he has the power to "see" the future by "seeing" the folds in time.


LINKS LINKS LINKS

As with Qu4d's theory - iv made none of this up. Here are some links (couldnt find them all again sorry)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_%28continent%29
http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro06.htm
http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_Race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Sea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_triangle


Special thanks to:

qu4d
The Moat (for constantly questioning so i had to research more!)
Blost

Please feel free to add to this kids. Infact its appreciated!!!
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[Lost_Brainiac]

ive got to say this is very good and well revised you have one excellent mind and can I join you to add on more facts and theorise more.

[The Moat]

Couple points:

1) Based on what we saw of the plane crash from Otherville's POV, the fan-map above seems screwy; I wouldn't rely on it too heavily.

2) Most theories of Atlantis (Plato, amongst them) put the lost continent either in the Mediterranean Sea, or in the Atlantic Ocean; nowhere near our favorite castaways. Mu, however, was purportedly in the Pacific, making this more plausible.
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[gudge]

yeah when i first did this a few months back it was much shorter but referenced Mu. The reason i dont think its Mu is because its just not quite famous enough.

on the "where is Atlantis" front, you are right about most theories saying its in teh Atlantic. Atlantis was even named after the Atlantic ocean. But its never been found, and could have just been a screw up as to its location.

as for Lost_Brainiac - help yourself to adding points! every little helps!
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[Lost_Brainiac]

lol every little helps sounds like u workin tesco hahah!

[gudge]

[PML101]

I've always like to think the island may be Atlantis , but I cant see them having another prime time show with an Atlantis ref qafter Stargate Atlantis....

[galdino]

[no_name]

I don't think it's Atlantis... good theory though
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[lachymac]

my first ever theory was about the island being atlantis.. didnt get into it that much though and all i got was a bunch of flaming.
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[SteveJohnnyCash]

I like this theory. It's good but just work on it and it will be very good.

[galdino]

[Colpyhle]

In my opinion, it's definitely not Atlantis. As was mentioned, Atlantis was described as being either in the Mediteranean Sea or Atlantic Ocean, which a slight possibility of being as far west as the Carribean. If I remember correctly, the mythology of Atlantis was related to Poseidon. The gods divided the land so that each may own a part - Poseidon was given Atlantis. The "history" of Atlantis goes on to state that the Atlanteans conquered parts of Africa and Western Europe, eventually meeting their demise after a failed assault of Athens. This would would suggest an eastern-bound campaign - with the obvious conclusion they came from the west of Europe. That supports Atlantis as being in the Atlantic Ocean - otherwise they would have came at Europe from the south east. Additionally, the Greeks were likely much more aware of the Atlantic Ocean than they would be of the Pacific - so in their mythology, they'd be more likely to place Atlantis in the Atlantic than the Pacific.

Long story short, Atlantis was located in or near the Atlantic Ocean.

However, Mu on the other hand, was located in the Pacific. Just like our Lost island. The "history" of Mu isn't nearly as fascinating as the history of Atlantis unfrotunately. This is basically because it's a fairly recent invention, as far as myths go - it was only first written about a couple hundred years ago. It has been featured in a fair amount of media, and according to legend was possibly the home of the ancestors of the Mayans.

Oh, and whoever said the Numbers were ASCII for Mu was lying to you. As far as I can tell, the ASCII code for Mu is ALT+0181. µ

None of this is meant to say that our island couldn't be based on a "lost continent" mythos. It definitely could have something to do with the Atlantis/Mu/Lemuria legends. After all, the show is called "Lost." And we're discussing lost continents. However, except for the statue, the island is dissappointingly void of any references to a long-dead civilization.

[gudge]

[Blost]

There is the possibility that the em energy on the island could account for another possibility. The Bermuda Triangle and Devil Triangle are on exact opposite sides of the globe and have similar legends. If this represents a second magnetic pole along this axis there could be a spacial connection. Perphaps the island appears on seperate sides of the globe over long periods of time and exists in each location for many centuries. This would account for Platos story of Atlantis sinking in the ocean if the island was in the Atlantic triangle. The EM feild shifts , draws the island down and it reemerges in the Pacific giving rise to the legend of Lumaria or Mu. This explains how the Black Rock got up in the mountains and the drug plane going to America ended up in the Pacific if was sucked through this spacial connection. The em energy acting as a natural magnetic cloak would explain how it has remained hidden all the centuries.