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[Fire Walk With Me]

ASTRAL TRAVEL is a controlled experiment, and is defined as the separation of the Astral Body from the Physical Body - also known as an out-of-body experience.



The Astral Realm is the next closest dimension to us here in the Physical World. This Realm is all around us, but we cannot see it. This Realm contains all of our thoughts and emotions. It is the place we go when we sleep. In our dream state, we stay close to the physical body and project emotional content from our subconscious mind. Being awake and conscious in this Realm is known as Astral Projection.

Using various techniques, it is actually possible for you to release your Astral Double from the physical and take control of your dreams, and during an Astral Voyage, communication with other Astral Projectors is possible.

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What if our heroes were present during the ‘deck incident’? You remember the deck incident, right? The accident that Hurley blamed himself for? I’m un-aware as to the actual details of the ‘alleged’ event in Ep. 18 – DAVE, and by details I mean ‘how high was the deck?, what was below it?, etc' – but when the weight of 23 people causes a deck to collapse, and from a height of more than – say – 10 or 15 ft., all 23 of these people are likely going to have a near death experience, if they even survive at all.

In some cases, astral travel has been reported to occur among those who have had a near death experience.

Everything our heroes have seen on the Island; Kate’s horse, Eko’s brother, Jack’s father, Hurley’s Dave, all of these things seemed real when they appeared. And in the flashbacks, it seems that all of our heroes paths have crossed at one point or another.

The creators have told us that there is a logical explanation for everything, that "its not all a dream", and that there's nothing overly sci-fi going on...

My theory is that all of our heroes are having an out-of-body experience. The shock of the deck collapsing caused the astral bodies of all 23 people to separate from their physical bodies – at the same time…

The astral body is generally described as being connected to the physical body during astral projection by an infinitely elastic and very fine silver cord.



A cosmic umbilical cord.

What if, amidst the chaos of the 'deck incident', the cords of our heroes have become twisted together? This would explain why they seem to be destined to meet, and why the flashbacks are tied in (pun intended) with one another. Our heroes are sharing an astral experience.

The flashbacks (and time spent on the Island) are part of what the astral doubles have done since they first left their physical bodies (at the moment the deck collapsed), but combined with the former memories from the physical plane as well. Memories are constructions in accordance with present needs, desires, influences, etc… They're often accompanied by feelings and emotions. Memories follow us everywhere, but they rarely stay intact...

Remember the painting of the desert island in Hurley's psychiatrist's office? Why would that be there?



The only ‘plane’ our heroes ever got on together was an astral one.

Astral travelers may travel from one realm to the other, where they may find access to visions of the past or future. It's been said that space and time do not exist on the astral plane.

Think about it - the 'flashback scenarios' are usually synchronized with the 'Island scenarios' - by which I mean - our heroes flashbacks usually reflect whatever sort of personal crisis they’re experiencing on the island at the present time (or at least what WE – the viewers – believe is the present time.) An obvious example of this is the Charlie-centric Ep.7 THE MOTH.



My theory is that Charlie’s astral body is jumping back and forth between moments (like flicking back and forth between two television programs). And I hate to say it, but it's like what happens when you dream... All of a sudden you are somewhere else, and you can’t remember the last place you’ve been.

All we see is all that’s there, for both the viewers and the characters on the show... But it's not a dream.

All of their astral doubles up and left the body (during the ‘deck incident’), and woke up on on another astral plane, where they were "survivors" of the Flight 815 crash... (The 'plane crash' being the astral world's version of the 'deck incident'.

(On a side note - I believe DAVE was a very signifigant episode. Hurley feels responsible for everyone being on the Island, he feels it's his fault that the plane crashed - when in truth, it's the 'deck incident' that fuels his guilt. Maybe it was Hurley's house (on the physical plane) where the actual 'deck incident' took place.)...

Other people from the deck incident were on this Island as well - Desmond Hume, Danielle Rousseau and her daughter Alex, etc… The fact that Jack appeared in Desmond’s flashback proves this is a possibility.

As for the rest of the “survivors of 815”, those blank faces in the background (Scott? Steve?) that we aren’t really interested in? Perhaps these people are astral projecting as well, only, from somewhere else, and like our heroes, they’re unaware. (Anyone who has seen the film 'Waking Life' will know what I'm talking about.)

The Island, at times, can be a paradise – you will find whatever you desire there (food, heroin, guns, love, redemption, etc.) On other occasions, however, the Island turns into a nightmare; there’s a deadly virus, a monster that eats people, mad scientists, and even a few polar bears (!). Other examples of the nightmare idea include Michael being separated from his son, and Desmond from his true love.

And lets not forget the wicked band of 'Others' - who leave no footprints, and kidnap and murder at will.

Astral travelers (those who find and control the experience) have reported seeing "dreamers" enact "dream scenarios" on the astral plane, unaware of the non-physical environment around them.

I believe the Others are astral projectors as well. Only these are people who know what they’re doing - people (like Fake Henry) who have learned to control their ability to leave their physical body…

Remember the cosmic umbilical cord that connects the astral body to the physical body? It is believed that if this cord were to break, you will be separated from your physical body – and become trapped in the astral world forever…

This may be what happened to Fake Henry and the other Others…Somehow their cords have all snapped, and now they are all 'stuck' on this astral plane. Meanwhile, on the physical plane (our world), these people are lying in a hospital bed- comatose.

"God can't see you John."

There is no top secret government experiment. The Dharma Initiative is what the group of trapped astral projectors (Henry, Tom, Bea, Ethan, etc...) call themselves, and this IS their Island,

and they can do whatever they desire.

Remember Ethan’s strength?


Or when "Henry Gale" stopped eating?


As for the Island’s myths, the monster, the hatches, the magnet, the map, and the videos? These are all macguffins - red herrings that the Dharma Initiative has created, with the intention of experimenting with other projectors - ones unfamiliar with their present situation - strangers unknowingly trespassing on what the Dharma Initiative considers to be their astral plane.

The Dharma Initiative have created their own dreamscape, and occasionally they will turn it into a nightmare...

Regarding the four toes; if the Others who took Jack, Kate, and Sawyer (in Ep. 24 LIVE TOGETHER, DIE ALONE) did indeed have only four toes, then I would say that this is the result of some sort of astral initiation ritual - and it's something that simply distinguishes these type of (trapped) astral projectors from the rest.

So far it seems that none of our heroes (except Locke) know what's really going on. Maybe when Locke looked into the eye of the monster what he saw was the memory of the deck incident, and he remembers the occasion, and all who were present. This could explain how he knew Sawyer’s real name was James. Locke must believe one of two things; that they’re all somehow astral projecting together - or they’re all dead.

Locke knows that it's now possible - to an extent – to make what you want to happen – happen. There are dozens of examples - think of Charlie’s guitar, or how Locke knew it was about to rain... Or think of Walt, and how he seemed to be projecting himself - after Locke had told him 'a secret'.

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Now, what happens when a main character dies? The creators have stated that when someone on the Island dies, they are dead.

Well, when a Physical Body (from the deck incident) dies from its injuries, the astral world deals with this as well.



My theory on how the show will end?

The same way it began...


Jack opens his eyes. His side hurts. He hears screaming and crying – and sirens – and turns to a paramedic covering the lifeless body of his friend, Boone Carlyle, and behind that, rescue workers scramble through the rubble, helping the injured and identifying the deceased.

The deck that Jack Shepard and his wife Kate were on, along with 21 other people, had collapsed.
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Now, this theory isn’t overly sci-fi, and it’s not exactly saying it was all a dream. Astral projection is possible. And many report that the astral projection experience retains its sense of realness indefinitely.

It’s my theory that everything we’ve ever watched on the show – the time on the Island, the flashbacks - EVERYTHING was the experience the astral doubles were having when they left their Physical Bodies - during the (very) short moment between when the deck let go to when it hit the ground.







Links to my other Theories:

Cheyenne Mountain:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=12025&highlight=utopia

Last Game Show:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14275&highlight=

Death takes a Vacation:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=16769

Eternity:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20906

Cat’s Cradle:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24128
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[lost-ite]

Neat idea! Though toward the end you probably got too specific with the Jack married to Kate & best friends w/ Boone part. But hey, this place is for theories.

So can you put a link in w/ more info on astral projection/planes? As soon as I started reading it, I remembered all those X-Men comics I read as a kid in which Prof. Xavier spoke w/ someone in the astral plane (because of his power) or duelled it out w/ someone there. In fact, many Marvel comics series utilized the astral plane - it was kind of neat, never even guessed there were real theories about it.

Anyway, a link would be helpful. Thanks & keep cranking theories.
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[TSThomas]

"It’s my theory that everything we’ve ever watched on the show – the time on the Island, the flashbacks - EVERYTHING was the experience the astral doubles were having"

The "Deck incident" is a FLASHBACK - What you've said is the Deck incident (& everything else) didn't necessarily happen in reality. You're basing your theory on a scenario which you've partially already wrote off as fantasy.

Not to mention this would clearly fall within the "It's a dream" category.

[Fire Walk With Me]

[just another other]

The idea here is very interesting....

I do think that the show will turn out to be ruled by something along the lines of an almost sci-fi situation, with a psychological twist.... this is one of the best examples of this idea that I have read, so, naturally, I like it a lot....

The main thing that came to my head here is the numbers.... think of this situation: Hurley actually did hear the numbers from Leonard, and somehow influenced the astral thoughts of all of the other 815 survivors. This caused the numbers to occur during their 'flashbacks', and works in around the same way that the 'past meetings' of the survivors do. The astral cords have became interlinked...... is this possible? If so, then I will become very fond of this theory....

[blackfly]

I love this theory! It explains everything well, even how the Others never leave footprints. We all know that Locke and Walt are special. Locke seems to know WAY too much about the island when compared to the other "survivors" and Walt has the ability to project himself across the island, or seems to be able to (Shannon saw him and he was soaking wet, could th is be explained by astral projection in any way?).

I do have some problems with it though, which is how it is with every theory. Could you elaborate on Smokey? Smokey seems to be very important and has some reason for attacking some and just looking at others. And how did they live a normal life in the astral plane? When they were all getting in Flight 815, there were many other people who interacted with them at the airport. Could a functioning society be possible in the astral plane?
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[TSThomas]

[galdino]

that's crazy... but I like it
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[TSThomas]

Why the deck incident? Surely the plane breaking apart would be a more plausible reason for the mass Astral plane switch? (This would also explain the unlikely turning up of Kelvin, Desmond, Horse... on the Island, right?) Everything on the show post-plane break up is on the Astral plane. Here's the new series finale;


Jack opens his eyes. His side hurts. He hears screaming and crying and an unbearable roaring. Debris is tearing past him. Yellow masks are clutched to desperate faces or being tugged at by the roaring air.

Jack manages to make & struggles desperately to hold eye contact with a frantic Rose moments before the plane impacts the sea.

Fade to black.

The End.

They all die & several series meant nothing as it was all dream.

Suckers.


Like I said, the main reason I think this theory can't be true is that it would make Lost a completely pointless show. Nothing that goes on on the Island or with the characters would matter unless it's REAL.

[galdino]

[kalnyc]

I really like this theory. It takes a different slant on the 'it's a dream' but it's not a dream theory.

And for those who would feel let down thinking that if were to be the case and the show would then be pointless...any 'Seinfeld' fans out there? Speaking of pointless...
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"O Captain my Captain! ...our fearful trip is done; Where on the deck my Captain lies..." - Whitman, Leaves of Grass

[Fire Walk With Me]

(For those who are interested, read the theory again - sections involving the Others have had some serious updates - as well as the explanation to what happens when one of our heroes dies...)

[Papoose]

like it.. very interesting and excplains alot keep it up pal
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Lost is all about Sawyer, now that the idiotic writers killed off eko..

[blackfly]

Wow, this theory is really becoming one of my favorite. This theory does explain most things and with some upgrades by the writers of Lost & with a few changes, it could definately be exactly whats happening on Lost. Astral Projection explains everything. I have actually had an astral experience once, and I know how it is. When you are there, you can control everything and do whatever you want. I wanted to fly and I began to fly, and the same with floating before. (believe me, it wasn't just a dream, i've had dreams my entire life and this was something COMPLETELY different, there's something to it; i'm usually very sceptical about these things, but after it happened to me, i couldn't help but believe it) I dont know that much about it, but I know that it explains the Others strengths and how they can move without having tracks. Good job Fire Walk With Me.
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