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Fire Walk With Me Lost Expert
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: NS, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: CAT'S CRADLE THEORY |
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“A fish pitched up
By the angry sea,
I gasped on land,
And I became me.”
Bokononism is the fictional religion practiced by many of the characters in Kurt Vonnegut's novel 'Cat's Cradle'. Bokonist's believe that all of Humanity is organized into teams, their sole purpose to carry out God's will without ever realizing what they're doing. These teams are called a Karass. If you find your life tangled up with somebody else's life for no logical reason, then this person may be part of your Karass.
Imagine a little Island located in the Caribbean Sea - circa 1920s. Gale force winds hound a schooner onto the rocks surrounding the LOST Island. The boat goes down. One man survives – with not even the clothes on his back - and manages to swim ashore. Magnus Hanso, an eccentric industrial tycoon, was enchanted by the mystery of coming ashore naked on an unfamiliar Island.
It was a rebirth for him.
He was greeted by the Island's natives – who believed that the coming of Magnus was a gift from the Gods - and so they took him in, surrounding the living quarters they provided with the gold, diamonds, rubies, and spices, which the Island had originally given to them.
Magnus eventually came to learn that the natives had called the LOST Island their home for over a century, and their people’s time on the Island began when African Negroes took command of a slave ship - The Black Rock. The slaves revolted, showing little mercy as they chained their former captors below deck, to be tortured and starved for days on end…
The slaves were already plagued with horrible diseases of the mind and body, undiscovered forms of scurvy and black fevers brought on the by the harsh elements and poor malnutrition. Several weeks at sea passed. Many died. And many did not.
The LOST Island welcomed these remaining souls with a Tsunami.
Imagine a great wave that stretches as far as the eye could see. And the mast of the Black Rock, for one moment, touching the sky, penetrating the clouds above.
The natives emerged from the bowels of the ship the next day - onto the jungle floor, carrying a new hope. The Island itself was the first gift from God, they said – as it gave them many necessities; food and water, shelter from the storms, a fortune in gold and jewels, as well as a very mysterious and miraculous ability to heal.
And now it seemed, after some hundred years - the Island's inhabitants had been blessed with yet another gift from the heavens – a leader.
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Imagine being reborn in a tropical paradise; receiving greetings and praise from strangers who immediately worship the ground you walk on.
And with a name like Magnus – well - who wouldn’t have delusions of grandeur? And so, amidst the dreams of building a pure, Utopian, society – Magnus created his own religion. A type of ‘Bokononism', only he called it Dharma.
(To make things clear, 'Bokononism' is Vonnegut’s fictional religion. My theory is based around the idea that the LOST writers may have been inspired by ‘Bokononism’, and while spinning the web of LOST mythology, they had Magnus found a religion based around the same principles, which were explained in the beginning of this thread...)
The natives obeyed Magnus’s every word. They even went so far as to carve a four-toed statue commemorating his child hood birth defect - which the natives saw as further evidence that Magnus was a gift from God. The man was kind, wise, and marked.
The diseases that had plagued the natives in the past were now non-existent. Their people had turned into many more dedicated followers of the Father of Dharma. And so the camps got bigger and bigger. ‘Pala’ began as a village made of twigs and mud. Today the Island, seen from the air, is almost a triangle, and at the south point you will see the LOST City of Pala, hidden between the mountains and the ocean – a powerful secret society built on the foundations of Dharma.
Dharma – the seemingly ‘great’ new religion, eventually found its way back to the real world. Magnus was rescued – and returned to his former life for only a few days, just long enough to gather up his family – and call to invite his closest friends to come and visit this ‘paradise’ of his.
After only several weeks of living on the Island, the seizures that had plagued Magnus’s son - Alvar - since birth, had simply disappeared.
And when Magnus’s rich and powerful friends arrived, the cancers, kidney stones, and runny noses they brought with them were gone within a month – so these families stayed as well.
And when the rich friends of the rich friends arrived… Well, you get the idea.
“This was the Karass at work,” Magnus told them.
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Top government officials now owned homes in the city. Large scale security and defense mechanisms were set in place, designed by a top secret government agency dedicated to monitoring and studying the Island’s healing powers, as well as preserving this secret society’s peace.
This crack team of experts produced a magnetic device that could throw off the needle compass some thousand miles away. And with their astral projection machine - the city’s guards could patrol the jungles and mountains without ever having to leave their headquarters.
Today, in ‘Pala’, there are children dancing in the streets, castles in the trees, fields upon fields of fruit and vegetables, and a wide variety of livestock. And the Lords of this paradise are growing old. The time has come for their children to inherit the perfect world that Magnus had created.
“See that the coming of the next Karass is successful,” were the man’s dying words to his son.
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The image of our heroes stepping off the ferry, and onto the docks of the LOST city of Pala, and down the busy thoroughfare, where marble towers rear upward into the sky while all around them golden fountains and waters splash with gentle music. Our heroes stick out like sore thumbs; limping, scarred, ragged, and dirty. Picture a futuristic restaurant at the end of the street - for some reason, all of the Lost-Aways feel this is where they are supposed to go.
INT. - The Lost Café - EVENING
Our heroes are greeted at the doors, and treated as special guests as they are escorted to their table. Imagine the confused expression on Locke’s face as he’s ushered to the seat at the head of the table. Jin and Sun are seated together, Charlie, Hurley, and Claire, Jack and Kate – all of our heroes are there, at this long, white table – an awkward silence hanging amongst them. The giant room (and everything in it) looked to be made of a bone-white marble.
A band played the most beautiful music Claire had ever heard.
The place looked as though it was usually filled with philosophers, and Socrates and Plato had just left for the bathroom, where they were now giggling and laughing, chewing coca above the marble urinal, so they could get high and think.
The lights go down. A lone spotlight shines on the stage as Dr. Marvin Candle takes the podium and clears his throat. He welcomes the Lost-Aways. And then he explains everything; the Island, the religion, the secret society, and the Legacy of our heroes - to follow in the footsteps of their parents, and rule in the LOST City of Pala.
“We've made your group”, Dr. Candle says, “ into the perfect Karass.”
The lights come on.
The room slowly begins to fill with the families of our heroes; Christian Sheppard, Diane Jensen, Anthony Cooper, etc… Everyone we’ve ever seen in any flashback is now present. Some were brought there, and some had been part of this community for quite some time.
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Our heroes shocked and stunned faces.
I am Jack’s raging bile duct.
Of course young Mr. Shepard would be the first to lose it, kick a few chairs, and maybe even throw a drink on his father before storming off on a tangent - looking for an end – or a way off of this cursed Island.
The events that follow would lead up to what I like to call “The Ultimate Countdown.”
Another Oceanic Flight crashes onto the Island - only this time - it’s an accident, and the aircraft strikes the LOST City of Pala, just as Jack exits the restaurant. Picture the airplane coming in from behind as Jack begins to run, and the plane connects to the city just far enough back that impact of the explosion only throws Jack forward.
Chaos ensues.
And there’s only a matter of time before the fire that is engulfing the city will reach the Nuclear reactor that powers it.
One way or another folks, lets face it, that Island is destined to explode. The show just has to end with a BANG!
So Jack has to rescue everyone and lead them to safety. Imagine our heroes and their loved ones, scrambling onto what must be the last eight hot air balloons in town. And the clock is ticking so the writers would have to whip up some sort of (stereotypical) suspense tactic, to have the audience on the edge of their seats, pulling their hair, dying to see what happens next…
Locke would be the only one not in a balloon - the stubborn fatherless boy – and he would probably look at Jack and say something silly like,
“I want to stay Jack, and die with the Island.”
To which the hero of this story – Jackie boy - having had enough of Locke’s foolishness regarding such things, jumps out of the balloon as it begins to rise - and with no time to spare – finally gets to sock the old man a good one in the jaw, before carrying the un-conscious Locke back to safety.
And before the entire Island explodes, and melts away into the sea - our heroes will have a bird’s eye view of the Lost City of Pala, as it’s destroyed by its own devices, burned and buried under tons and tons of masonry, marble, and stone.
Locke opens his eyes.
Jack is standing over him, offering a hand. Locke gets up and sees the other balloons, and realizes they’re all drifting through the clouds. And the closing line of the series would be what Jack says to Locke next – and at their most beautiful moment together…
“There’s no place like home, John.”
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Links to my other Theories:
Cheyenne Mountain:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=12025&highlight=utopia
Last Game Show:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14275&highlight=
Death takes a Vacation:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=16769
Eternity:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20906
Astral Projection:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24307 _________________
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CrazyForSawyer Lost Aficionado
Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 172 Location: Tallahassee Lassie
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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WOW! Nicely thought out Fire! _________________ Here be Dragons
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just another other I am Him
Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 5353
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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This is nice.... there's some really original stuff here...
| Quote: | The natives obeyed Magnus’s every word. They even went so far as to carve a four-toed statue commemorating his child hood birth defect –
which the natives saw as further evidence that Magnus was a gift from God. He was kind, wise, and marked. |
This, I love. It is the best explanation that I have yet heard for the statue, and why it appears to have no other body..... I do think that the statue will turn out to be as a means of some form of worship, or at least something that was used for that purpose....
| Quote: | After only several weeks of living on the Island, the seizures that had plagued Magnus’s son - Alvar - since birth, had simply disappeared.
And when Magnus’s rich and powerful friends arrived, and the cancers, kidney stones, and runny noses they brought with them were gone within a month – these families stayed too. |
Again, I like this, but I am unsure as to exactly what you are referring to here. Who are these people? Are they The Others? Are they people we don't yet know, who live on the LOST city of Pala? Please could you elaborate on this?
I think your story at the end of this theory is marvellous. The final part about Jack and Locke almost sends shivers down my spine. It is great....
Finally, I have a few questions:
What do you think the smoke is? How does it work?
How does all of this fit in with the 'incident', and the pushing of the button?
Who are The Others (in relation to your ideas)?
Please answer these, because I truly would love to hear more.... _________________ LOST IS LOOPS. Click here. |
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Fire Walk With Me Lost Expert
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: NS, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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just another other:
Thanks a bunch for the positive comments - your excellent questions have inspired me to revise a few things. But I’ve been really busy lately, so it may take some time before I can get back with an expanded theory... But I can whip off a moderately quick explanation of how the ‘smoke’ fits into this idea, and how I think it works…
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The 'Smoke' was mentioned in the 'Cat's Cradle Theory' - and the explanation is basically what Rousseau said,
"It's a security system."
From 'CRADLE':
"Large scale security and defense mechanisms were set in place, designed by a top secret government agency dedicated to monitoring and studying the Island’s healing powers, as well as preserving this secret society’s peace."
"And with their astral projection machine - the city’s guards could patrol the jungles and mountains without ever having to leave their headquarters."
My theory is that the black smoke is controlled by the guards of the LOST City of Pala. In my Cheyenne Mountain Theory, I used the same idea - that the black smoke is an 'astral-projection machine' controlled by the human mind.
From 'CHEYENNE': "
... But their proudest achievement was an electromagnetic/mind-controlled, astral - projection machine. The Initiative's security system. Utopia's monster. Powerful enough to down an aircraft, or lift the wreckage of a ship from the sea."
"A pair of trembling hands push a button and take the controls, then, through an astonishing feat in technology, the desperate individual's mind is projected up, up, and above - into the eye of the monster."
Sounds a bit convoluted I'll admit, but I grew up with a strong appreciation from the post 50s 'fantasy and adventure' comics illustrated by Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby.
The creation of the monsters who wreaked havoc in these tales were usually explained in a semi-plausible way - they were the result of the wicked ways of man - be it nuclear or otherwise.
LOST's creators have stated that there is nothing overly sci-fi involved in the show, that everything could really happen.
My theory states that the black smoke is actually an astral projection machine, invented by scientists who have somehow been able to harness the secrets of 'astral travel'. Astral travel is an out-of-body experience – "achieved either awake or via lucid dreaming, deep meditation, or use of psycho tropics. Proponents of astral projection maintain that their consciousness or soul has transferred into an astral body (or "double"), which moves in tandem with the physical body in a parallel world known as the astral plane." Astral travel is possible. People are known to eat in-ordinate amounts of Psilocybin (magic mushrooms)
and actually trip off to this parallel world all the time - and they meet other people there - from the real world - who can control their 'astral body' as well.
It's pretty serious stuff.
There's a lot more to this theory, but I've got to get some sleep - expect to hear more in the not-so-distant future. _________________
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just another other I am Him
Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 5353
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | My theory states that the black smoke is actually an astral projection machine, invented by scientists who have somehow been able to harness the secrets of 'astral travel'. Astral travel is an out-of-body experience – "achieved either awake or via lucid dreaming, deep meditation, or use of psycho tropics. Proponents of astral projection maintain that their consciousness or soul has transferred into an astral body (or "double"), which moves in tandem with the physical body in a parallel world known as the astral plane." Astral travel is possible. People are known to eat in-ordinate amounts of Psilocybin (magic mushrooms) |
This stuff is incredible! This is probably (along with the nanobot theory) the best lone theory on the smoke that I have heard. When I was reading this, I realised how plausible your theory is, and decided to look it up on Wiki to get some more information on it.... here is the article which I found. For anyone interested, it goes into this in quite a lot of depth, and the stuff there is very interesting....
This got me thinking. You claim that the smoke could be a part of an investigation into astral projection, but upon reading the article, I think that there may be even more examples of this being brought into play on the island....
The article has two takes on how this phenomenom can happen, and these are part of them:
| Quote: | | A more subtle energy body is believed to carry the consciousness outside of the physical body, and as one progresses to more advanced levels of the astral plane, more subtle bodies are realized and consciousness is transferred in turn to each of them |
| Quote: | | When a person projects, they actually "phase" into another area of consciousness and the locales it contains. This can be likened to tuning a radio to another station. |
Now, these are conflicting ideas, but they both really tie in to the same final conclusion:
That astral projection takes your mind to somewhere else. Somewhere that you think is real, but is not.....
This could tie in to so many things on the island:
The flashback appearances of the numbers....
The flashback tie-ins between the characters....
The hallucinations, dreams, and visions which those on the island seem to see....
Whet we saw when the smoke approached Eko....
The smoke in general, as you have mentioned....
You could even say (but this is at a push) that the whole island is this - an experiment into astral projection, which causes people to truly imagine what they want to see, and believe that is there. If Kate wants to see a black horse that once helped her, then she can see a black horse. If Jack wants to clear his conscience by seeing his father alive once more, then he can see his father alive....
Finally, I have one last question:
I understand what you think the black smoke is, but why does it take the form of black smoke? If you have already answered this, then I apologise, but I cannot remember reading it....
Thanks.... _________________ LOST IS LOOPS. Click here. |
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Joy Division Lost Aficionado
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 186 Location: Nottingham, England
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Thats a long theory! |
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Fire Walk With Me Lost Expert
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: NS, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:35 am Post subject: |
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In several of my theories, I’ve always played with the idea that the black smoke was indeed some sort of ‘astral projection machine’, and because I've used this idea again - in ‘Cat’s Cradle’ , I will elaborate on this astral travel topic a little more. Many thanks to ‘just another other’, btw, for bringing this up…
| just another other wrote: | | You could even say (but this is at a push) that the whole island is this - an experiment into astral projection, which causes people to truly imagine what they want to see, and believe that is there. If Kate wants to see a black horse that once helped her, then she can see a black horse. If Jack wants to clear his conscience by seeing his father alive once more, then he can see his father alive.... |
This is a brilliant thought, and yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly that ‘astral travel’ may play a huge role in the overall big picture of LOST. The creators have stated, “No, it’s not all a dream.”
*UPDATE*
see:
ASTRAL PROJECTION THEORY:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24307 _________________
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Fire Walk With Me Lost Expert
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: NS, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| just another other wrote: | | I understand what you think the black smoke is, but why does it take the form of black smoke? |
The ‘astral projection machine’, while in operation, looks like smoke for two very natural reasons:
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To strike fear into the hearts of those who do see it – the same way poisonous animals let other predators know that they are poisonous before it’s too late. Certain markings are adapted to get the message to a targeted audience. The ‘smoke monster’ seems to have scared most everyone, excluding Mr. Eko, of course - who probably eats roofing nails for breakfast…
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If ‘the monster’ is a security device, then it correct to assume that on occasion it will be used to spy on someone. In the case of the LOST Island, smoke would make an excellent camouflage; it’s dark, quiet, and usual. It has been said that the ‘smoke monster’ appeared in the season two finale. I sure as hell didn’t see anything... _________________
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just another other I am Him
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | To strike fear into the hearts of those who do see it – the same way poisonous animals let other predators know that they are poisonous before it’s too late. Certain markings are adapted to get the message to a targeted audience. The ‘smoke monster’ seems to have scared most everyone, excluding Mr. Eko, of course - who probably eats roofing nails for breakfast… |
| Quote: | | If ‘the monster’ is a security device, then it correct to assume that on occasion it will be used to spy on someone. In the case of the LOST Island, smoke would make an excellent camouflage; it’s dark, quiet, and usual. It has been said that the ‘smoke monster’ appeared in the season two finale. I sure as hell didn’t see anything... |
Okay..... thank you for clearing that up....
When I was reading the theory, these ideas did come to mind, and I did think that this is why black smoke would the form of the machine. It is just that I also thought I may have overlooked something important, so I thought I would ask in order to verify....
As you have said, for these two reasons, the smoke is a very intelligent way for the machine to work, and in a productive fashion....
What you have mentioned about dreaming and the like has creeped me out a little.... I am going to give it a try...  _________________ LOST IS LOOPS. Click here. |
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ilikelost Lost Addict

Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 29 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
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I usually really like your theories. And although this one was a good read i think it lacked Depth and didn't come with many explanations _________________ New songs up from our cd www.myspace.com/usasrobots |
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semi_insane Lost Aficionado
Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 175 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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nice work...i enjoyed reading that... ...that wasnt sarcastic or anything...neither was that...or that....that was (nah just joking)
Seriously though, nice theory _________________
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: Vonnegut was why I started watching this |
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| It reminded me of his writing. I like this thread and the theory. |
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no_name One of Them
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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I must have missed this, very well thought out theory. Nice  _________________
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bigmouth Lost Expert
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 356 Location: Santa Monica, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Fire: This is an awesome theory! I especially like the part about Magnus washing up on the Island and being worshiped by the natives. Reminds me a lot of a similar scene involving Randy Flagg (aka Walking Dude) from Stephen King's Stand. One question: what happened to the natives? Are they the current residents of Otherville? _________________ Due to time constraints, and to avoid any potential confusion over copyrights, I'm no longer posting theories on any public forums. But you can still read all my content on Eye M Sick. |
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excathedra1895 Lost Aficionado
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Great theory! At last! Some logial theories It took a while to get through all of that, but never mind - it's brilliant, original and well thought out I like it anyway
Plus, the picture of th Scarecrow made me laugh (The Wizard of Oz is one of my favourite films of all time) _________________
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