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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:32 pm    Post subject: The Others.... Mutiny Theory Reply with quote

The Dharma Initiative was originaly meant to be a large laboratory where scientists and free thinkers from around the world could come and push the bounderies of science further than they have ever been pushed before. A laboratory of this scale requires a huge amount of money, so the DeGroots went looking for funding from a company that would be interested in scientific advancement. they asked many companies but they all were unwilling to put so much money into a project that seemed so unprofitable (psychology, parapsychology, geology, and zoology aren't exactly big money makers).

They were rejcted so much that they were ready to give up when they got a late night call from one Alavar Hanso. He offered them more money then they had hoped for and to there surprise thay were offered a base of operations for there labs on a small island just off the coast of a larger island in the south pacific.

At first everything seemed OK, they were able to conduct there research without the company breathing down there necks. all the foundation asked for was a little information and collaberation on some top secret project they had going on on the larger island. Happy that the company didn't ask for more or take there discoveries and claim them as there own, as most companies do, they gave the foundation the help they asked for without question.

One day the foundation asked a few scientists from the initiative to come to the larger island and help them with a problem they were having on their project, but they never came back. Instead they were told that there was an accident and they all died.

This caused Dharma to investigate what was going on the other island. They started sending small groups to search the island and in so doing they found several hatch's one of which was the Pearl. Not only that but they found that the foundation had stolen the Dharma logo incase what was going on the island was ever discovered by the outside world they could blame Dharma. In the Pearl they were able to see what was going on in the swan hatch, and what they saw they didn't like.

They kept what they found out a secret from the foundation so they could formulate some plan as to how to stop them. They continued to search the island trying to find the location of the Swan hatch and in 1988 (I think) one of there search parties found the Swan.

While in the hatch they were discovered and a fight broke out. During the fight some of the equipment was damaged (the incident) and the blast doors came down trapping one of the foundation employees in the computer room. He typed out a may-day call and soon help arrived. They sealed off the affected area of the hatch with cement and set up a system that kept the anomaly from building up to much power. They also stocked the hatch with guns and remaned the station with exmilitary personel and they installed the failsafe key to keep the incident from happening again. Outside of the hatch they created a security system that would keep away anyone that meant the project harm which is why the other rarely cross the line in the jungle.

Since then the Dharma scientists A.K.A. the Othershave been cut off from the foundation and left to rot. They survived and are still trying to locate the Swan hatch so that they can stop whatever it is that the foundation is trying to do.

Then one day they detect a surge of energy and minutes later a plane falls form the sky in pieces, one piece lands near the Dharma camp on the island. They decided to abduct some of the taillies to find out who they were. While interogating them they come to the realization that the losties can help them to destroy the hatch, but being persecuted by the foundation has caused the Others to become paranoid about newcomers especialy after they found the Swan anf started pushing the button (they found this out by using the Pearl). They infiltrate the losties to find out if they would be willing or unwilling to help them. While doing this they do things that seem hostile but are really doing them for good reasons (for example taking claire so that they can check on her baby and make sure the plane crash didn't injure it, and taking Alex from Danielle cause she had gone crazy and killed all of her companions. After watching the losties in the hatch (the Pearl) for a time they came up with a plan to cause Locke to doubt weather the button should pushed or not making it so that the Swan hatch would be destroyed. But they weren't expecting Desmond to show up and use the failsafe, Which is why Fenery looked mad/irritated at the end of season two.

Sorry this theory is so long and I know there are holes in this and I am hoping to fill them in later. Until then enjoy and respond as you might.

And also sorry for the bad spelling I was typing fast.

Thank you.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, this theory makes alot of sense. I really like it and think its probably close to what actually happened. Also backs up the others' statements that they are the good people
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like the idea of two islands .. great theory
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh u are on to something here!

As refrence to the others being worried about outsiders i agree.

We have a misunderstanding your people our people.-zeke

mabey that is what the misunderstanding is.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my favourite theory (apart from my own Very Happy ). I was thinking in the same lines. There has to be a second island which is the real base for DHARMA, otherwise they would have no connection to the outside world. Most certainly there also has to have been a conflict between the DHARMA scientists and The Hanso Foundation, the funders wanting to exploit the exceptional island to gain power for themselves and the scientistis refusing this.

Well done, brother! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this theory. It's practical and not outlandish. Makes sense.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this theory a lot, as I believe that The Others are 'good', and you have provided a plausible explanation for this....

I have a few questions about this part:

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Outside of the hatch they created a security system that would keep away anyone that meant the project harm which is why the other rarely cross the line in the jungle.


What is the security system? How was it created? How do they use it?

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While doing this they do things that seem hostile but are really doing them for good reasons (for example taking claire so that they can check on her baby and make sure the plane crash didn't injure it, and taking Alex from Danielle cause she had gone crazy and killed all of her companions. After watching the losties in the hatch (the Pearl) for a time they came up with a plan to cause Locke to doubt weather the button should pushed or not making it so that the Swan hatch would be destroyed.


This part is excellent....

I love your ideas about The Others initially working for Hanso, but now being completely isolated from them....

The Others have shown what could potentially be 'good' qualities... I know that people will argue with me here, but our survivors have done more bad than anyone else on the island....

Finally, I have another couple of questions:

Will the other island come into play throughout the show?
Who is currently on the other island, if anyone?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To just anohter other.

What is the security system?

I believe that the monster A.K.A. Cerberus is the security system. I also think that the security system is in three parts, Smokie, a huge Robot, and the Bird.

The Bird acts as the eyes, kind of like security cameras, it flys around a certain part of the island and warns Smokie when it detects people.

Smokie determines (either by reading mind or sensing intentions) wether the people are worthy of being on that part of the island. They needed a system that can tell the difference between a hostile and a replacement for the Swan hatch.

And the Robot is the muscle or gaurd dog that chases away or just kills whoever is determined by Smokie to be a threat to the Project.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will the other island come into play?

Yes!

I believe that is where they are taking Jack, Kate, And Sawyer. Also some people have suggested that that is where the Others sent Micheal and Walt. They said that they will find rescue not that they will get off the islands.

Who is there?

I am not sure how many are on the other island but I think that at least "Him" is there.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EXCELLENT!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your theroy.

But wasn't the hatches abandoned after the inceedent?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hatches could have been taken over by the Others and this is why the Swan orientation video said not to contact anyone on the computer. It didn't say it was impossible they just said don't use the computer to contact anyone.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for answering my questions dragonwolf....

I particularly like this idea, and I think that if there is in fact another island, then it will have 'Him' on it....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a thought.

It's been hinted that the book Bad Twin will have something to do with season 3 what if there are two sets of Others.

One: The original Others, Fenrys others.

Two: A cloned copy of the Initiative members

And perhaps the thing that the Initiative was trying to stop was an illegal cloning project.

I'm baseing this idea on Ethan.

When we see Ethan in the losties camp he seems pretty normal even friendly. But when we see him in the jungle, after he's abducted Claire and Charlie, he seem very different. Very violent, angry, and with a look of pure hatred on his face. Maybe they are two different Ethans, maybe good Ethan took Claire before bad Ethan could and out of anger bad Ethan took Charlie, for revenge. Also Locke and Jack found two different trails while hunting for Ethan, maybe Claire went one way and Charlie went another.

Also at the other side of the island where the tallies landed, in the first night a whole bunch of of them were abducted. And more and more later on. but one of the good Others infiltrated the tallies to find out about them and what kind of people they were, like good Ethan with the losties. The reason why they wanted the kids is because it is (possibly) easier to clone from younger, less imperfect genetic tissue and the bad Others are continuing there cloning project.

It's theorized (I don't know where but it seems highly probable to me) that if you were to clone a human being that it will live. The brain will work just fine, the body will work perfectly, but it won't have an inherant sense of right or wrong because they wont have a soul.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that route will be followed, as it would be too difficult to pull off, but that is an interesting idea....

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It's been hinted that the book Bad Twin will have something to do with season 3


I think that this will mean that we will find out that there are siblings on the island who are unaware of that fact....
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