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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: It's all military Reply with quote

Sorry if this is old news. I think simple. Sorry about my grammar. I write simple.

What we know:

This is a large scale community reseach compound on an island.
Six bunkers for meterology, psygology, parapsygology, zoology, electromagnetism, utopian social experimenting. Funded by A. Hanso.

Plane crashes to opposite sides of island (from the direction of sea in both shores!). People stay alive. It seems as they were invited and their history was connected. Odd things happen, particle clouds with intelligence, visions, healing and paranormal incidents.


We are lost in clues and info. The show goes on for about five seasons, it has to get busy and more tangible ASAP.

A theory:

I say the plot can not be complex - this is US prime time series after all! Because of it is made in US, the driving force of the plot must be nothing else than secret weapons research, counter-intelligence trying to get in, involuntary recruits and guinea pigs. It's a military project.

Hanso project is a coverup.

The six stations are part of a military project. Standard perimeter guards.

The first guard staff was from military. 108 min button drill ensures that the guards are there - it notes the staff in bunkers all is secure. Not pressed means there is a security breach: an EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) weapon is launched outside the bunker to clear all intelligence stolen and kill all devices which may inspect the bunker.

The "other" are people who try to get in to the bunkers, maybe former cover project staff who found out what is really going on (after first incident) and want to stop the military from building their new horrible weapon. They are indeed the good people! The "other" try to kidnap people and kids (in a way only military training would explain), why kids? Perhaps the lock to the bunker needs a kid to open it. Perhaps the key is DNA or brain pattern based and they have run out of variations. Perhaps they need fresh brain to train. Or they need clean DNA to make vaccine.

Rousseau is on a spy mission with top class survival skills. She knew that bringing a kid to the island was required to complete the mission but she lost the kid to the others.

Perhaps the island is really covered by a vast dome (like in the comic) and the only exit is in compass direction that was given to Michael and Walt. Vanadium (23 -- used in producing superconductive magnets) runs the magnet to keep the dome up.
Dennis, also a spy, was hired to get there by the woman who gave him the boat (foreign agent) - for some reason he hesitated to launch the EMP as beacon signal to his people but came "accidently" back to do it (the key was the actual power button). The EMP was launched once before, that was the incident that directed the others there. The EMP is the only way to locate the island as its magnetic core twists compass and radar. The dome was only seen when EMP field was run, as bright purple sky.


The numbers mean nothing, other than they are the "all is fine" command. The numbers were there before this started but do not reveal the plot.

Let's bring the Hanso projects into a military world:

Meterology: sky weapons (like bringing planes down) weather in dome (notice how sunset clouds always look the same)
Psychology: evaluating people in stress and reactions to unseen threats (monster)
Parapsychology: hallusigenic weapons (seeing and hearing things, seeing controlled dreams)
Zoology: using animals as weapons and surveillance tools (big bird)
Electromagnetism: EMP weapons, surveillance tools (smoke), keeping the dome up
Social experiments: weapon/stress effect evalution in a controlled culture (i.e. what LOST is about!)

Why these people?

All the people there are loosers and messed up in some way, and military (NSA or something else) picked them as guinea pigs to a military test area. All the people there are in a different mental "state" and they have different skills. Everyone is different, which is what testing needs. They were probably followed a long time and adjusted to need.

Hurley knew the numbers because they were fed to him in asylum. The military knew the numbers too and they organized the lottery to get Hurley in a certain very messed up state.

Jacks father died. No he was not - it was an act to get Jack to a certain mental state.

Locke is messed up by kindey removal and personal issues. The leg could be healed by NOT giving a shot of something that paralyses it.

Sawyer has killed a wrong man and is in mentally unstable state.

Tariq has tons of mental issues and great military skills.

etc. etc.

They are all connected in history because they are drawn from same set on military surveillance files.

When they get "better" the island "organizes" something that makes them unstable again (kills someone they love), or kills them.

The plane crash?

The parts of the plane approached from sea, from different sides of the island. Impossible. The plane cut in half, crashed and people survived. Impossible. So, the logical explanation (by US television heritage) is: crash is a fake - a simulator plus a brainwash (people in mentally vulnerable state are easier to brainwash). But after that it all got real. People died in water, dead bodies in plane and sea. They had to believe it so some people were murdered.

Buy it or don't buy it. There it is. Season 3 will still be surprises and fun.

I'm pretty confident that season 3 starts in same way as season 2, but now from inside the actual military bunker. Alarms go off, black smoke surveillance device (magnetic crystals/dust) is activated to see through monitors what is going on. The bunker door opens....

Jack gets to be a hero soon. We get gunfire and doctor No (him). It's James Bond time!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have some interesting ideas here, and there is DEFFINITELY a military involvement on the island. but I think you are inferring an awful lot from this.

i think that the Dharma project IS what we think it is...a project set up for experimentation and so forth, and the military is definitely involved.

Kelvin goes to the island after his military career, so there are connections between the military and dharma, but I don't think there is anything to tell us that it is a military funded project....

There IS an explanation for the Plane.
As the plane aproached the island from the north heading south (remember they changed course and turned around just before they crashed)....The tail section broke off first, falling into the water on the north side of the island.....The main section of the plan crashed on the south side of the island, losing people and things as it crashed...eventually landing on the shore and stopping....the plane came from over the jungle, not from the sea...that's why jack was in the jungle, and why the nose of the plane was in the jungle, it tore off when the plane hit the trees.

There are many strange circumstances about the crash, but I believe it actually happend, and wasn't staged.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You watch a lot of Steven Segal movies dont you? Because you just described the plot of every single one of his movies..lol


But I think the military wasnt involved on he Island until after the Incident happened and they sent in military because they needed people there who they knew could survive in the harsh and strange jungle enviroment without needing a lot of help.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9mmpainpill wrote:
You watch a lot of Steven Segal movies dont you? Because you just described the plot of every single one of his movies..lol


But I think the military wasnt involved on he Island until after the Incident happened and they sent in military because they needed people there who they knew could survive in the harsh and strange jungle enviroment without needing a lot of help.


not the first "incident" though, the second one... the one mentioned on the blastmap. Anna said that the military knife was probably about 20 years old (which i think was more clue than random number)

the map says the AH/MDG "incident" occured in 1985 (i think, i cant find my map copy) which would quite possibly tie in with the US military knifes history on the Island

Now what i wanna know is... was Nathan a "bad" Other, or was he just a psycho that Goodwin was genuinely protecting the Tailies from?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like your theory because you assume that since it's American primetime, it MUST be military. That's just an assumption you've made and decided to base off of a few shows that have been on recently. See, there are a lot of shows that have mystery around them but don't involve the military.

Last years biggest hit, for example, was centered around mystery and deception, but there wasn't any military involvement. That show? Desperate Housewives. There are plenty of other random little shows that don't involve the military, mysterious and regular alike. Medium was a very mysterious and strange show, but she only works for the police, not the armed forces. Same with Ghost Whisperer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doctor hanso wrote:
9mmpainpill wrote:
You watch a lot of Steven Segal movies dont you? Because you just described the plot of every single one of his movies..lol


But I think the military wasnt involved on he Island until after the Incident happened and they sent in military because they needed people there who they knew could survive in the harsh and strange jungle enviroment without needing a lot of help.


Anna said that the military knife was probably about 20 years old (which i think was more clue than random number)


It could have been 50 years old...that still doesnt mean that thats when it came to the Island.

Somone could have gotten it 20 years ago....then about ten years later brought it with him to the Island.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doctor hanso wrote:

Now what i wanna know is... was Nathan a "bad" Other, or was he just a psycho that Goodwin was genuinely protecting the Tailies from?


i dont think nathan was an other at all. goodwin had to kill him and hide his body to keep up the illusion that he had escaped and ran away. this made everyone think he was an other and took suspicion away from goodwin. nathan really was just a poor lil canadian he decided to stay a little longer for sightseeing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just a mistake! wrote:
I don't like your theory because you assume that since it's American primetime, it MUST be military. That's just an assumption you've made and decided to base off of a few shows that have been on recently. See, there are a lot of shows that have mystery around them but don't involve the military.

Last years biggest hit, for example, was centered around mystery and deception, but there wasn't any military involvement. That show? Desperate Housewives. There are plenty of other random little shows that don't involve the military, mysterious and regular alike. Medium was a very mysterious and strange show, but she only works for the police, not the armed forces. Same with Ghost Whisperer.


So far Lost has had two seasons. It has been mostly suspense and drama, plus Sci-fi. It has not gone far in terms of storyline, we just get more data and odd happenings. If third season was still all about more clues and more people, viewers would start thinking it is going nowhere and get bored. I analyze it as TV-series. A product. It has to procude momentum to get ads and money. Average Joe must get a clear plot to keep interest alive.

I'm merely suggesting that the story from now on will go towards military/spy/evil scientist/war genre. People need a clean solution and it has to be simple and understandable. If solution was based on esoteric science theories, maths and numerology it would be too complicated for average viewer to grasp who is (sadly) after all who the show is made for in the end.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi psss, your two entries looked like they were written by two different people Laughing i suppose you took your time writing the last one. Miltary makes some sense in that every foot of the world is scanned by satilites and the US miltary like to poke their nose into every corner of the world. But someone on this site pointed out that miltary and big business pretty well share the same bed so i wouldnt write off Widmore as mr big or Hanso [although it seems a bit of a red herring]. I do hope they avoid a Bond ending and judging by the quality and influenzes the writers have quoted i think the final episode will be different. And you are right about it being a product, if too little is given away people will turn off. They[the writers] did mention that it was a character driven show , i was getting into Jin& sun /des and penn's love story [soppy old me] but it seems too little and two spread to really keep me satisfied.

I hate the fillers that dont have any story and just connect an epsode either side of it, perhaps narrative will have more of a role in S3 and 4

but PSSS dont stop developing your theory
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

julesdingle wrote:
hi psss, your two entries looked like they were written by two different people Laughing i suppose you took your time writing the last one.


Smile I wrote the theory post in hurry 5am local time, Mr. Grammar was not awake.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Average Joe must get a clear plot to keep interest alive


Again, the show has done the exact opposite of regular shows. There is no clear plotline, and they've only set it up to be even more complicated (more hatches, Swan possibly being an experiment because of the Pearl, Black Rock still unsolved, etc. etc.).

Interest is still alive because it's so mysterious, and they are slowly giving us answers but not enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good theory, I think there is military involvement, maybe not to as large a scale as your theory suggests, but at some level
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this theory a lot.... I have added it to the 'best theories' thread in my signature..... Very Happy

There is definitely some level of military involvement in the show, so I think that this is a great idea.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the show will be resolved in a way that the primetime audience will get (despite this being a kind of primetime sci-fi/drama crossover of the likes never seen before). So the deeper people are getting into the mythology and insane theories the less likely they're going to happen, simply because the average joe won't be interested in that.

The BIG thing IMO will be that Dharma is completely fake - that the whole island is one huge experiment that EVERYONE is taking part in unknowingly, INCLUDING Zeke, Fenry and the Others. And that it's all masterminded by Alvar Hanso who is literally playing God, and aiming to pitch two sides (good and evil) against each other. Also, the name 'Alvar Hanso' is fake, and he is none other than Anthony Cooper, but let's not get into that...

What I'm trying to say is it would be much easier for the show to say 'the island is fake' rather than saying 'the island is *insert extremely long explanation of Dharma's activities including parapsychology, meteorology etc. and how this relates to the Lostees* etc.'. It's going to be more about character than science.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude hearing that thing you said about the EMP defense system blew my mind .. i love it
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