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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: the magnet theory Reply with quote

Alright so basically my theory is that the magnetic poles of the island are reversed. This means that the south pole of the island is aligned with the north pole of the rest of the world. Widmore Labs or the Hanso Foundation discovered the island and its "geologically unique" properties. As some of you may know, a magnet's south pole always attracts to the other magnet's north pole and vice versa. Widmore Labs knew this and installed the magnet as a new, simpler power source. It was discovered that after 108 minutes the mganet becomes to powerful and begins pulling everything into it. Because of its alignment with the Earth's poles, eventually the magnet's strength would continue to grow and in fact could suck the whole world into it.
When two magnets are attracted to eachother, a small magnetic field forms around them. This field is not unlike the Earth's magnetosphere. If two magnets are strong enough, a large magnetosphere may form, which is what has happened on the island. The magnetosphere is also the area of Earth's atmosphere responsible for sending messages. Signals are sent to the magnetosphere and bounced back to the receiver. Because the island has its own magnetosphere, Boone's distress call went only as far as Bernard who was only on the other side of the island. This is also why nobody has come to rescue Rouseau, because here transmission has never left the island. It is also reponsible for why nobody can leave the island. At one point Sayid is looking at his compass and says to Jack "either this compass is wrong or north hase moved." North has moved. Because of the island's reversed poles the compass also reverses, meaning north on the island is in fact south outside of it's magnetosphere. This is also why Desmond was unable to leave the island. He set his boat at due north (which was in fact south out side of the island's magnetosphere), but once he left the magnetosphere, north suddenly changed and he changed direction, bringing him right back to the island.
When Widmore Labs first installed the magnet, they didn't realize the consequences of just letting the magnet grow unhindered. This almost resulted in the entire island being sucked in itself, this we know as the "incident". The island was only saved by the failsafe key being turned. After this the button was installed and the Dharma initiative was created. As for Eko, Locke, and Desmond; they're fine. All the failsafe does is reverse the island's poles. Now the island is back in sync with the restof the world and the magnetosphere is breached and the island is visible to the rest of the world, and messages can be sent.

during the first incident the magnetosphere was temporarily damaged and during this time rousseaus team picked up the transmission. at the same time hurleys friend heard the same transmission. soon after the magnetosphere was back up and this is why he could never find it again.

Widmore left the island, leaving a small group of scientists called DHARMA behind. But Widmore could never relocate the island or contact his scientists. This bitter and abandoned scientists are now known as the "Others". Penny has since joined her father's company and has been responsable for locating the island. She has positioned men at one of the poles (either north or south it doesnt matter) because these are the two areas that would be especially effected by the magnet's uncontrolled pull. Last time Desmond was able to push the button so the island was only visible for a short while. This is why the 2 brazilian men were in such a rush this time, but in fact they dont need to because the magnetic field is permanently discharged. Penny may or may not know Desmond is alive, she could be simply searching for her father's island.
As for the foot, its just a statue made by an ancient culture. The island was once an inhabited island, but the natives died out before Widmore arrived (Adam and Eve). Once the magnet was installed nobody could find it again because everytime they got close, their compass's would go haywire.
The bright light was just the affect of the magnet being suddenly discharged. And the hatch door flying into the sky was also a result of this. The door had been being pulled down into the hatch by the magnet when the key was turned. The sudden reversal of the island's poles changed the force between the magnet and the door to repulisive and the door was flung into the sky.
Although the Earth's poles have reversed millions of times, the key to this theory is that everytime the Earth's poles reverse, the island's did too.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats impressive.

Only one issue:
Supplies plane that dropped stuff near the Swan. Somebody's got to know where the island is, unless of course the survivors haven't found the giant endless supplies wareshouse on the other side of the island. Shocked

Oh yea, I guess this is more of an opinion, but I swear Penelope is a metaphor for the Odyssey, especially after the letter she wrote. If you haven't read the Odyssey, Penelope stays true to Odysseus for a bunch of years (don't know specifics). I think that Penny is searching without telling her father.

It would be a more dramatic story to show trouble in the Widmore family anyway, if you know what I mean.

Otherwise, the theory is solid.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'llBeLostWhenI'mFound wrote:
Thats impressive.

Only one issue:
Supplies plane that dropped stuff near the Swan. Somebody's got to know where the island is, unless of course the survivors haven't found the giant endless supplies wareshouse on the other side of the island. Shocked

Oh yea, I guess this is more of an opinion, but I swear Penelope is a metaphor for the Odyssey, especially after the letter she wrote. If you haven't read the Odyssey, Penelope stays true to Odysseus for a bunch of years (don't know specifics). I think that Penny is searching without telling her father.

It would be a more dramatic story to show trouble in the Widmore family anyway, if you know what I mean.

Otherwise, the theory is solid.
Nice catch. You're right of course. but will Desmond have to slay a horde of would-be suitors?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'llBeLostWhenI'mFound wrote:

Only one issue:
Supplies plane that dropped stuff near the Swan. Somebody's got to know where the island is, unless of course the survivors haven't found the giant endless supplies wareshouse on the other side of the island. Shocked


hmm...good point. maybe Papa Widmore knows where it is and discovered that Desmond was there and Penny somehow found this out in some secret island file....I still like the idea that Penny joined her fathers company though. How else would she have the resources for this search?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is a well written theory.
it makes a lot of sense.
but, won't they have to be somewhat close to actual land if there is any truth in henry's statement to michael that if he goes toward 325 degrees he'll find land? otherwise, he'll just end up back, or is that what they want?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chairthrower wrote:
this is a well written theory.
it makes a lot of sense.
but, won't they have to be somewhat close to actual land if there is any truth in henry's statement to michael that if he goes toward 325 degrees he'll find land? otherwise, he'll just end up back, or is that what they want?
Well, Michael and Walt could have to sail a long way.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and henry never says hell find land. maybe theres a boat or something nearby. who knows with lost.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Right on! Reply with quote

Your theory meshes with something I've been pondering...This is my first post, so bear with me if I repeat old info.

Perhaps you're familiar with the Philadelphia experiment, also known as Project Rainbow. The following info is pasted from http://www.softwareartist.com/philexp.html. Sorry that it's a little lengthy.

"Project Rainbow was allegedly an experiment conducted upon a small destroyer escort ship during World War II, both in the Philadelphia Naval Yard and at sea; the goal was to make that ship invisible to enemy detection. The accounts vary as to whether the original idea was to achieve invisibility to enemy radar or whether the prize sought after was more profound: optical invisibility. Either way, it is commonly believed that the mechanism involved was the generation of an incredibly intense magnetic field around the ship, which would cause refraction or bending of light or radar waves around the ship, much like a mirage created by heated air over a road on a summer day. The legend goes on to say that the experiment was a complete success... except that the ship actually disappeared physically for a time, and then returned. They wanted to "cloak" the ship from view, but they got de-materialization and teleportation instead....

At 0900 hours, on July 22nd, 1943, so the story goes, the power to the generators was turned on, and the massive electromagnetic fields started to build up. A greenish fog was seen to slowly envelop the ship, concealing it from view. Then the fog itself is said to have disappeared, taking the Eldridge with it, leaving only undisturbed water where the ship had been anchored only moments before.

The elite officers of the Navy and scientists involved gazed in awe at their greatest achievement: the ship and crew were not only radar invisible but invisible to the eye as well! Everything worked as planned, and about fifteen minutes later they ordered the men to shut down the generators. The greenish fog slowly reappeared, and the Eldridge began to dematerialize as the fog subsided, but it was evident to all that something had gone wrong.

When boarded by personnel from shore, the crew above deck were found to be disoriented and nauseous. The Navy removed the crew, and shortly after obtained another. In the end, the Navy decided that they only wanted radar invisibility, and the equipment was altered.

On the 28th of October in 1943, at 17:15, the final test on the Eldridge was performed. The electromagnetic field generators were turned on again, and the Eldridge became near-invisible; only a faint outline of the hull remained visible in the water. Everything was fine for the first few seconds, and then, in a blinding blue flash, the ship completely vanished. Within seconds it reappeared miles away, in Norfolk, Virginia, and was seen for several minutes. The Eldridge then disappeared from Norfolk as mysteriously as it had arrived, and reappeared back in Philadelphia Naval Yard. This time most of the sailors were violently sick. Some of the crew were simply "missing" never to return. Some went crazy, but, strangest of all, five men were fused to the metal in the ship's structure.

The men that survived were never the same again. Those that lived were discharged as "mentally unfit" for duty, regardless of their true condition.

So, what had begun as an experiment in electronic camouflage, ended up as an accidental teleportation of an entire ship and crew, to a distant location and back again, all in a matter of minutes!"


So whaddya think? None of this Philadelphia experiment info is mine, but I think I may be the first to put it together with LOST, and it works well with what you've already posted...Does it hold water?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chairthrower wrote:
this is a well written theory.
it makes a lot of sense.
but, won't they have to be somewhat close to actual land if there is any truth in henry's statement to michael that if he goes toward 325 degrees he'll find land? otherwise, he'll just end up back, or is that what they want?


no, he said they would find rescue, not land
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well that project rainbow thing would make sense with lost, but i dont think the producers would use something as farfetched as that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a great theory. Really refreshing to read something that someone thought out, instead of puked up. Well done.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: the magnet theory Reply with quote

word96 wrote:
Now the island is back in sync with the restof the world and the magnetosphere is breached and the island is visible to the rest of the world, and messages can be sent (which is how Hurley's buddy heard the "4815162342" transmission, but couldnt find it again)


very very very interesting point
and by that time Danielle's crew heard it too
and maybe this is the reason why only those people, from what we've seen until now, know
about the transmission with the numbers
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

word96 wrote:
I'llBeLostWhenI'mFound wrote:

Only one issue:
Supplies plane that dropped stuff near the Swan. Somebody's got to know where the island is, unless of course the survivors haven't found the giant endless supplies wareshouse on the other side of the island. Shocked


hmm...good point. maybe Papa Widmore knows where it is and discovered that Desmond was there and Penny somehow found this out in some secret island file....I still like the idea that Penny joined her fathers company though. How else would she have the resources for this search?



I think she's part of the company, just going behind her daddy's back. I think Charles doesn't tell anyone about the island. Penny somehow found out about it as she searched for Desmond. She's definately using company money to fund her search.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Right on! Reply with quote

cooper42 wrote:
Your theory meshes with something I've been pondering...This is my first post, so bear with me if I repeat old info.

Perhaps you're familiar with the Philadelphia experiment, also known as Project Rainbow. The following info is pasted from http://www.softwareartist.com/philexp.html. Sorry that it's a little lengthy.

"Project Rainbow was allegedly an experiment conducted upon a small destroyer escort ship during World War II, both in the Philadelphia Naval Yard and at sea; the goal was to make that ship invisible to enemy detection. The accounts vary as to whether the original idea was to achieve invisibility to enemy radar or whether the prize sought after was more profound: optical invisibility. Either way, it is commonly believed that the mechanism involved was the generation of an incredibly intense magnetic field around the ship, which would cause refraction or bending of light or radar waves around the ship, much like a mirage created by heated air over a road on a summer day. The legend goes on to say that the experiment was a complete success... except that the ship actually disappeared physically for a time, and then returned. They wanted to "cloak" the ship from view, but they got de-materialization and teleportation instead....

At 0900 hours, on July 22nd, 1943, so the story goes, the power to the generators was turned on, and the massive electromagnetic fields started to build up. A greenish fog was seen to slowly envelop the ship, concealing it from view. Then the fog itself is said to have disappeared, taking the Eldridge with it, leaving only undisturbed water where the ship had been anchored only moments before.

The elite officers of the Navy and scientists involved gazed in awe at their greatest achievement: the ship and crew were not only radar invisible but invisible to the eye as well! Everything worked as planned, and about fifteen minutes later they ordered the men to shut down the generators. The greenish fog slowly reappeared, and the Eldridge began to dematerialize as the fog subsided, but it was evident to all that something had gone wrong.

When boarded by personnel from shore, the crew above deck were found to be disoriented and nauseous. The Navy removed the crew, and shortly after obtained another. In the end, the Navy decided that they only wanted radar invisibility, and the equipment was altered.

On the 28th of October in 1943, at 17:15, the final test on the Eldridge was performed. The electromagnetic field generators were turned on again, and the Eldridge became near-invisible; only a faint outline of the hull remained visible in the water. Everything was fine for the first few seconds, and then, in a blinding blue flash, the ship completely vanished. Within seconds it reappeared miles away, in Norfolk, Virginia, and was seen for several minutes. The Eldridge then disappeared from Norfolk as mysteriously as it had arrived, and reappeared back in Philadelphia Naval Yard. This time most of the sailors were violently sick. Some of the crew were simply "missing" never to return. Some went crazy, but, strangest of all, five men were fused to the metal in the ship's structure.

The men that survived were never the same again. Those that lived were discharged as "mentally unfit" for duty, regardless of their true condition.

So, what had begun as an experiment in electronic camouflage, ended up as an accidental teleportation of an entire ship and crew, to a distant location and back again, all in a matter of minutes!"


So whaddya think? None of this Philadelphia experiment info is mine, but I think I may be the first to put it together with LOST, and it works well with what you've already posted...Does it hold water?
Yeah, this has been bounced about a lot. it's a cool story to be sure, but it all gets back to one mysterious figure, I think he went by Carlos, who no one could prove existed in the first place.

Still, for mythology purposes, they could use it, tie it into Mu and Lemuria and how the ancients moved big heavy rocks using electromagnetism, another fringe theory.

graham hancock has some good books on this global civilization prior to the ice age idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, this may be a stretch, but what if the island is a Philadelphia experiment on steroids, involving not only invisibility but also possibly time and space travel through the manipulation of electromagnetic fields?

When the button was not pushed in time, like word96 says, the poles realigned and the island briefly became visible, just like they did 16 years ago and also when the plane crashed 2 years ago. The bright lights are reminiscent of the flashes reported when the ship disappeared from Philadelphia.

Even though the island is invisible, presumably planes could still drop supplies through the use of GPS (or earlier navigation techniques); this wouldn't be extremely accurate, which is why the hatch locks people inside during the drops, or low-flying planes could penetrate the 'magnetosphere' of the island and drop supplies visually.

If the island involves teleportation of some kind, like the Philadelphia experiment allegedly did, this would help explain how Eko's brother's plane, flying from Africa, ended up on it as well as the existence and location of the Black Rock.

If time travel is somehow involved, the island could even be the lost island of Mu, which only existed for a period of time in the past before coming back to the future, where it is currently hidden. This helps explain the statue and Stonehenge-like rock formation.
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