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Fire Walk With Me Lost Expert
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: NS, Canada
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: ETERNITY THEORY (and The Third Policeman) *Updated* |
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From ‘The Third Policeman’:
’Is this eternity?’ I asked. ‘Why do you call it eternity?’
‘We call it that,’ the Sergeant explained, ‘because you don’t grow old here. When you leave here you will be the same age as you were coming in, and in the same stature and latitude.’
To start this off, I want to explain why no one was looking for any possible survivors of Oceanic Flight 815, and what the Henry Gale impersonator meant when he said,
‘God can’t see this Island.’
Time has stopped. On the island, it is still September 22, 2004.
The survivor’s have become ‘stuck’ in time.
The Island isn't Purgatory... It's Eternity.
Okay, bear with me...
How did they get there? I like the idea of Vile Vortices. I think they definitely play a role in the where and why of the Lost Island, and I must give credit (and my applause) to forum member and brilliant Lost theorist PubClear, who's Theroy Accelarator first clearly introduced me to the idea.
Now, there are said to be twelve areas, each 72 degrees apart, that are spaced equally around the globe (with the exception of two points, located at the North and South Poles). Each is said to be the location of various anomalous events (strange skies and seas, spinning compasses, and unsolved vanishings and mysterious disappearances of ships, planes, and people). These areas I am referring to are the Vile Vortices.
Portals, or more simply, shortcuts from one place on the planet to another.
The LOST Island is the train station between these shortcuts. It is the resting point, and because time has opened itself up to allow for these shortcuts, and because these shortcuts are able to transport large objects from one side of the world to the other faster than the speed of light, forward momentum on the Island does not exist back in the real world. While the survivors are on the Island, time for them moves forward, they grow beards, they age, they die. But none of this has happened in the outside world - if Russo ever makes it back, the year will be 1988.
Trying to explain where and why the LOST island is where it is is like trying to describe a color to a blind man, and therein lies the mythology. But I believe it is located between two (or more) portals, and for some reason, pushing the button keeps the portals closed. And for some other reason (magnetisim), instead of passing through the portals to the other side, everything ends up trapped in the middle, on the Island. Remember the polar bears, the drug plane, the Elizabeth, Flight 815, Henry Gale from Minnesota, Russo and company, etc...
And what exactly happened when Desmond used the Dharma key? At one point or another, a group (or several groups) of people have discovered this anomaly (the portals, the Island), and over time, and for various reasons, these people have learned how to control it. These are the Others. Or the Dharma Initiative. Or both. They hold the key to Eternity. They are ‘The Policemen.’
The novel ‘The Third Policeman’ speaks of an ‘underground paradise.’ A place, when the book takes you there, bears striking resemblance to the Swan Hatch. When you leave this hatch, it is the same time of day as when you entered. Time inside the hatch doesn't exist. You don't get hungry, a cigarette burns forever, etc... I believe this 'Policeman hatch' is what may have inspired the mystery of the LOST Island.
I shall not recount the passages we walked or talk of the one with round doors like portholes or the other place where the Sergeant got a box of matches for himself by putting his hand somewhere into the wall.
In this underground eternity, you are able to wish for whatever you can imagine, ’But there is a limit and a boundary to everything within the scope of garden’s reason.’ You simply think of what you want, open one of many little doors on the walls, reach in and grab it. Now, think of Charlie’s guitar. And Kate's horse. Eko’s brother, Jack’s father, or Hurley’s Dave... Jin’s re-animated man juice (not my expression)! Everybody that crashed on Flight 815 has since received some sort of personal comfort, whether it be the cure to a psychological or physical problem, or an actual object or living thing. They find ways to resolve past issues that had been a torment in their lives for some time. Think of Sawyer, and the boar that seemed to be possessed by a man he had regrettably murdered.
Point being, in Eternity, you are never bored.
’Don’t go in there!’
The color fled from my face at the urgency of his tone. I turned my head around and stood rooted there with one foot before the other like a man photographed unknowingly in the middle of the walk.
‘Why?’
‘Because the floor will collapse underneath the bottom of your feet and send you down where nobody went before you.’
‘And why?’
‘The bag, man.’
‘The simple thing is,’ the Sergeant said calmly,’ that you cannot enter the lift unless you weigh the same weight as weighed when you weighed into it.’
‘If you do,’ said the Sergeant, ‘it will extirpate you unconditionally and kill the life out of you.’
But you can't take it with you... Not all of it anyway.
How do I think the series will end?
Our heroes sail off into the sunset, back through one of these vortices, perhaps located at the co-ordinates fake Henry Gale gave to Michael. They enter a thick, mysterious, colorful cloud of fog...
We hear the intriguing flashback sound zooming at us, and then…
CUT TO:
INT. OCEANIC FLIGHT 815 – SEPTEMBER 22, 2004
Jack sitting next to Rose, and he’s comforting her through some rather nasty turbulence. Then, in an instant, the shaking stops. The passengers of Oceanic Flight 815 relax a little. And Bernard comes back from the bathroom.
Kate finishes her sentence.
The plane lands in LA.
And because our heroes are strong, extraordinary people, (really though folks, this is what the fans would want to see!!!) they manage to bring their peace and enlightenment back with them. But that is all, they have no recollection or memory of time on the Island. But they are cured in many ways. Charlie, instead, flushes the heroin in the airplane’s bathroom. Claire decides to keep the baby, and name him Aaron. Boone and Shannon live happily ever after. And Locke wheels off into the sunset, perhaps the only one (except maybe Rose) actually blessed with the memory of 'time' on the Island.
Life goes on.
In closing, I want to drift back to ‘The Third Policeman’, and remember a story told by one of the Sergeants...
I heard of a man once that had himself let up into the sky in a balloon to make observations, a man of great personal charm but a devil for reading books. They played out the ropes until he disappeared completely from all appearances, telescopes and no telescopes, and then they played out another ten miles of rope to make sure of first class observations. When the time limit for the observations was over they pulled down the balloon again but lo and behold there was no man in the basket and his dead body was never found afterwards…
But they were clever enough to think of sending up the balloon again a fortnight later and when they brought it down the second time lo and behold the man was sitting in the basket without a feather out of him…
My Other Theories:
Cheyenne Mountain:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=12025&highlight=utopia
Death Takes a Vacation:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=16769
Last Game Show:
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14275&highlight= _________________
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warsman11 Lost Aficionado
Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 114
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Good theroy but if they are frozen in time how come there is night and day? |
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Rogue Other I turned the key
Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 2742 Location: *insert clever unrealistic location here*
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Cool! Bravo! That was really interesting. You should write for TV shows or movies or books- I'd like to see some of the other stuff you come up with!
I mean, that'd be a great way to end Lost... finishing the sentence... brilliant!
Unfortunately, with the Penelope and the Portuguese guys... I'm afraid that's not gonna happen. |
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kn1x0r Lost Aficionado
Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 111 Location: the internet
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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good theory... fun to read too.
the writers have said that one of the main focuses of season 3 would be love, and the relationships forming on the island.
how does this effect your theory? I'd like to think they wouldn't waste time with claire and charlie hooking up if it doesnt carry back over to the "real" world
or are you suggesting that everyone will "wake up" on the flight, remember what just happened to them?
a little confused there... but like i said. nice thread  _________________
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mmajury Lost Junkie
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 56
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: Then why is Penny |
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still looking for Desmond in real time? You could state as it is still 2004 when the Ports and Penny are looking for him, but why then did it coincide with the time elasping and Locke and Desmond disrupting the timer enough that it was picked up by the Ports? I think Penny and her hired pilots are in real time, which then negates your theory. But, hey my theory went down, maybe, in flames. _________________ Maureen Majury |
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Button Pusher Lost Newbie
Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 8
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| That's an interesting theory. I don't quite buy it, but then nobody seems to have a theory I buy into. I must say, though, that I like your idea for an ending. |
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blackfly Lost is my Life
Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 530
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Nice theory and I love the ending. It also plays into the idea of it being a "Philadelphia Project" type island. The only problem is that if time actually stopped, no one could actually do anything. Time can be considered the car we drive from birth to death. Without the car, we would never reach our destination. (discount walking, it's a metaphor ) _________________
| I wrote: | | Just a shoe, right... It just flew out of the plane, realized its owner was dead, and hung itself due to the extreme emotional pain. |
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Fire Walk With Me Lost Expert
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: NS, Canada
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Rogue Other wrote: |
Unfortunately, with the Penelope and the Portuguese guys... I'm afraid that's not gonna happen. |
UPDATE:
Okay,
I don't think the season finale ending was happening in real time. And by this I mean it wasn't happening chronologically with what we the viewers had just seen happen on the Island (Claire kissing Charlie by the campfire, after he survived the latest 'Hatch Incident').
The scene with Penelope and the researchers was just the moment when the writers decided to introduce the viewers to the real world. And they cheated a little. It wasn't necessarily happening after Desmond used the key. It was happening when Desmond didn't push the button, just after he had accidentally killed Kelvin. Not pushing the button opens the portals. The researchers picked up the boat signal after these portals opened and pulled Flight 815 in.
Here's why...
Penny was looking for Desmond, this is true, but for how long? And when did she start? She may have been looking for him before he was ever on the Island, back when he was still in the race around the world.
The Elizabeth may have had a tracking device. Penny was waiting for the boat to stop moving, so she could locate him. I know this is stretching things a bit, but maybe she had heard old man Widmore, or one of his people, speak of the Island, and how to get there... And Penelope, being smart, rich, and prepared for anything, believed that Desmond had disappeared into one of these areas - before he actually had. So she found some of Hanso's researchers (the Portugeuse fellows) who's job it is to monitor and control activity where one of the other portals are located (either the North or South Pole), and she bribed them to keep an eye out for the signal of the Elizabeth, and her lover. Just in case...
And when she was awoken in the middle of the night by the researchers, that was the moment Desmond did not push the button, and the portals opened. The magnet charged up - and time on the Island began. Flight 815 was pulled towards the Island, the GPS unit on the boat kicked in, and the Portugese researchers picked up the signal... Time on the Island had started, and began to move forward along with time in the real world. At that moment the island actually existed. Then, before it was to late, Desmond made it back and pushed the button, the magnet settled down, and time stopped once again.
It was a brief moment when the outside world actually had something to do with the story of the Lost Aways. And it was the moment after Flight 815 crashed. And wasn't that the point of 'Live Together, Die Alone', the huge explanation of why (or, at least HOW) the plane had crashed.
Another thing, Desmond pushed the button just before the Island and the Portals imploded on themselves. I believe this is where the term 'saving the world' fits in to everything. If you don't push the button, the Lost Island will be destroyed, things turn inside out, total chaos ensues, and then... Nothing. And maybe the Dharma key does the opposite, and simply shuts the vortices down - permanently - with little or no destruction. But time still remains still.
As hard as it is to wrap your head around, no one in the real world will ever be looking for our heroes, because they aren't even really gone. Time does not exist in Eternity. The Island just makes it seem like it does. _________________
FIRE WALK WITH ME @ http://www.myspace.com/jthealy
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jbpsudmb Lost Addict
Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 25
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought Desmond discovered that there was a time/date stamp on the print-outs of all the times the numbers were entered... |
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saviorself Lost Newbie
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| jbpsudmb wrote: | | I thought Desmond discovered that there was a time/date stamp on the print-outs of all the times the numbers were entered... |
Exactly. Add to that the fact that the very cold Portuguese-speaking gentlemen thought they might have missed it again. And since you wouldn't send people to someplace that cold for very long it seems far more reasonable that they might have seen the anomaly twice over the space of two and a half months than having the system failure that caused the plane crash be the second one when we know the incident happened more than 3 years before. _________________ Why is the 4 minute alarm beep the same sound as the scanners in the checkout lanes at Target? |
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preinhart Lost Newbie
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| If you don't get hungry in Eternity, why the food drop? |
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Sawyer/James Lost Junkie
Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 64 Location: The blown up hatch making stupid theorys
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Good call _________________
The toys are not inlcuded |
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ghtx Lost Junkie
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| I like the theory, and it makes sense after just reading "The Third Policeman" (though not much really makes sense after reading that book). The only problem that I have with the theory is the fact that, just like if the island were purgatory, if the island is "Eternity," then dying on the island doesn't really matter. You say, for example, that Boone and Shannon (and presumably Ana Lucia and Libby) will come back to life at the end. The producers, I recall, in negating the purgatory theory, also said something to the effect of: if someone dies on the island, they really die. The producers don't want everyone to think that it's a dream so that we don't really care if they die. The producers might be lying, but if not, then that throws a monkeywrench into the "Eternity" theory. |
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Fire Walk With Me Lost Expert
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: NS, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ghtx wrote: | | The producers don't want everyone to think that it's a dream so that we don't really care if they die. |
I'd never considered that [the producers] could possibly have these sort of intentions. I think all of the theories they have discredited would be very cool to see as the BIG Revelation anyway. And by saying there is "nothing overly sci'fi" is an excellent way to add to the mystery. It definitely has people scratching their heads.
Personally, I choose not to believe what the creators/producers have discredited. In a way, for me, it takes the fun out of things - and the fact of the matter is they could throw all the sci-fi at me they wanted and I would love it, bask in it, eat it, and then beg for more.
As far as 'Eternity' is concerned, I still believe that what happens on the Island doesn't really affect anything in the outside world. Also, I'm inclined to think that the Lost Aways don't really need to eat all that much either, and they still get hungry and grow beards because, subconsciously, that is what they (mind and body) know they're supposed to do. Eat. Drink. Survive. Age. Die. _________________
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Delphi Lost Aficionado
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:57 am Post subject: |
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It's an interesting theory and seems to gain a lot from the book, but what would be the point of saying its eternity? It still leaves open the same questions of what, why, how and where.
One part of the book I did think could be relevant was the description of the police station; The police station is two dimensional outside, but three dimentional inside.
Could this effect be achieved on an island using huge magnets to warp space-time, in order to hide a powerful weapon from the outside world?
Does the island need to be out-of-this-world, (e.g. eternity, purgatory) or could it somply be an effect of advanced technologies? |
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