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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: The Clone Theory! Reply with quote

This is my #1 theory:

Theory: Primary Dharma Research Project - Cloning

I am convinced that cloning is a major part of Dharma and LOST. Here are the clues that lead me to this theory:

1) Gary Troup's book "Bad Twin". Gary Troup was on Oceanic 815. He was the author of the manuscript Sawyer is reading. That book is titled "Bad Twin" - a reference to cloning. Even more telling, from the book's description - "Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike".

2) One of the passwords given to us by Persephone on the Hanso Foundation site is "Missing Organs". Missing organs are a known issue in cloning.

3) Marvin Candle / Mark Wickman. The same person appears in both the Swan and Pearl station orientation videos, but calls himself by different names. However, in the Swan video, Candle is missing his right arm, and they made sure we saw that he had both arms in the Pearl video. Again, deformaties and missing limbs / organs are one of the issues of cloning.

4) Locke can walk, Rose no longer has cancer, Jin is no longer impotent, etc. Could the island have cured them? Possibly. However, if the Locke, Rose and Jin that are on the island *are* clones, then they wouldn't have those medical issues.

5) The memory interconnections. Clones wouldn't have the memories of their originals. So these memories would have to be implanted (e.g., "Total Recall"). However, the program has either glitches or is purposefully implanting memories of the other Losties. There are far too many interconnections for this to be a coincidence. It would also explain why some of the Others / Dharma researchers are appearing in these memories (after the season finale, we will see further proof of this). The numbers could also tie into the memory implants to make people do what was needed of them.

6) This may be the most telling thing of all: Flight 815 LANDED in Los Angeles! See for yourself at Oceanicair's website. (BTW, There were *two* tracking pages - the one I am referring to was before it changed - could just be part of the conspiracy...)

Who was on the plane? It was a combination of clones and originals. The original Claire is still on the Island; the Others needed baby Aaron. Likewise, the original Locke, still paralyzed, is on the plane that landed in Los Angeles.

There's so much more too - like Desmond not noticing Jack, because the one Jack met first could be a clone. Or the girl in Eko's flashback that came back to life could be a clone with implanted memories of Eko's brother.

It also explains why Jack saw his dad, Eko his brother. Their bodies landed on the island, they could have made clones of them.


This theory is not flawless, but it is the best one so far that wouldn't be a cop-out or a cheat, and has A LOT of things to back it up.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

Wow kool theory
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, clone, right... lEt me read 23 theories that talk about the same $#!% and find a common element that supports my kinda winda minda theory and post it and see who loves me who loves me not...
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eyalaz wrote:
Yes, clone, right... lEt me read 23 theories that talk about the same $#!% and find a common element that supports my kinda winda minda theory and post it and see who loves me who loves me not...
What do you mean?
I AM trying to gel different ideas in one cohesive.
Why do you have to get personal and antagonistic, why not just discuss what you agree or disagree with?
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clone wrote:
What do you mean?
I AM trying to gel different ideas in one cohesive.
Why do you have to get personal and antagonistic, why not just discuss what you agree or disagree with?


"gelling one idea in one cohesive"

Great sentence, very convincing...

I'm genuinely sorry if ai sound harsh, but I hate it when people read bits and pieces from posters who have posted at least 1000 times and make it sound like its their own... i just cant stand it... sorry.. i bet millions of you would disagree, but I'm sorry... I had to do something...
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking maybe the losties are psycological 'twins' of other hatch members. They aren't identical twins, but they were picked because they would always act in a predictable way.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eyalaz wrote:
clone wrote:
What do you mean?
I AM trying to gel different ideas in one cohesive.
Why do you have to get personal and antagonistic, why not just discuss what you agree or disagree with?


"gelling one idea in one cohesive"

Great sentence, very convincing...

I'm genuinely sorry if ai sound harsh, but I hate it when people read bits and pieces from posters who have posted at least 1000 times and make it sound like its their own... i just cant stand it... sorry.. i bet millions of you would disagree, but I'm sorry... I had to do something...


Shocked

yipes

(you know i heart you, but yipes)
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eyalaz wrote:
... but I hate it when people read bits and pieces from posters who have posted at least 1000 times and make it sound like its their own... i just cant stand it... sorry.. i bet millions of you would disagree, but I'm sorry... I had to do something...

Why don't you point some of these "1000 times" you're talking about? You can't, because most of the things I addressed were from just this last episode. And while it may TOUCH on a lot of thing in previous discussions, most of it is new.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Clone - to steer in a different direction than eyelaz - I think your theory is actually my favorite now....

HOLY CRAP WHAT IF IT'S RIGHT???

Cuz seriosuly, it totally explains Desmond not remembering Jack.... And the impotent Jin, and Locke's legs.....

Holy crap..... I don't know if I /want/ this theory to be correct but what if it is???

okay...settling down.... here are my problems with the theory (strictly constructive):

-The idea of total recall is kinda not tied together for me. Total recall is when you forget something and then...totally recall it.

-How would memories be transplanted into their brains? Via electromagnetism perhaps?? lol.... I am kinda not liking any magnetism theories right now but you get it....

-Why the hatches?

-Why the need for clones in the first place?

-How would the clones automatically be the right age as the survivors? Cloning is embriotic.

Okay - now if you can answer those questions, please respond first with "Yes - I have an answer" Cuz if you do, I am NOT reading it cuz I SO don't know if I want this to be the right theory....

Blessings
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blueaznmonkey wrote:

okay...settling down.... here are my problems with the theory (strictly constructive):

Thanks for actually reading it and giving it some thought, I know it's kinda long and twisty.

blueaznmonkey wrote:

-The idea of total recall is kinda not tied together for me. Total recall is when you forget something and then...totally recall it.

-How would memories be transplanted into their brains? Via electromagnetism perhaps?? lol.... I am kinda not liking any magnetism theories right now but you get it....

Heh - I actually meant "Total Recall" the movie, you know, the one with Swartzenegger, where they implanted memories into his head, some real, some not.

blueaznmonkey wrote:

-Why the hatches?

-Why the need for clones in the first place?

-How would the clones automatically be the right age as the survivors? Cloning is embriotic.

I would assume that it's all just a part of Dharma's cloning experiment. They have different locations (or hatches) for the different clones to do different things, and the one's in the Pearl hatch would observe.
Another part of this theory is that some clones could be good, and some bad - (not just a good or evil clone, but also a successful or a damaged clone) which would explain having to kill some of them off, or the kidnappings.

Again, I'm not saying this explains EVERYTHING, just that it explains more than anything else I've come accross.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some questions..

Flight 815 landed yes, therefore everybody on the island is a clone.
Of course apart from the real claire? And what about Charlie.. how could a clone have knwon about his drug habit? Or was that implanted.

good theory..
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papoose wrote:
Some questions..

Flight 815 landed yes, therefore everybody on the island is a clone.
Of course apart from the real claire? And what about Charlie.. how could a clone have knwon about his drug habit? Or was that implanted.

good theory..

Good questions - it's a stretch, but I guess they could've somehow "knocked out" the people on the plane and then switched some passangers with their clones and some not onto a different plane, and had one "crash" and the other arrive in LA.

Remember, some people don't even remember crashing, as they just "found" themselves on the island.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this theory. Highly original and well thought out.

Very well done.

And I like the idea of another Flight 815 landing in LA, back in the real world, where the Losties aren't even missing...

Good show!

(it might be my new favorite too Wink )
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone that watched the last Alias episode before Lost knows that JJ Abrams is a fan of this kind of thing. I think they called it 'genetic resequencing' or something.

So the Lost finale? Sloan and Prophet 5 are behind it all. LOL don't really think so.

OK so YEMI. Seems he is definately dead, yet he is providing current information. So either his personality was taken from Eko mind and somehow broadcast into Locke's or some sebmlance of him is alive and Yemi himself was communicating with Locke/Eko.

Very interesting if you look at image #17 from the sequence of images from Eko's dream @ the beginning of ? it shows Eko from the POV of the black smoke with a sort of ghostly image of Yemi in the foreground...

There's a post here about the still but you have to find your own screencaps sorry Laughing

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=17542
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been thinking about this one...and maybe....

The clones are actually the ones that landed in LA.... The "real" losties are actualyl lost...

I mean, it makes sense that way you know? The Losties are "real" people that need to be experimented with for whatever reasons and kidnapepd for whatever reasons.....

Because, if they were clones, then the chance that /something/ went wrong during the cloning process could have messed with the Dharma project's ultimate goals etc...

If the "clones" (or replacements....they could just be people that assumed identities but weren't actually cloned) landed in LA, then that leaves actual, real, original subjects available for testing. This is why Walt still has super powers, etc...

As for the Losties that got healed, they may have had some crazy stuff done to them to help them with it ... advanced super stem cell implants or something I DON'T KNOW!!!

But anyway - consider that. The entire flight 815 crew was replaced by the "clones" and the "clones" landed in LA

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