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[PubClear]

I will start with describing Alvar Hanso. First we need to look at the mission statement.

Driven by a need for privacy and a deep-seated sense of humility, Alvar Hanso has released few details of his personal life to the public.
He first made his mark during the Second World War, providing munitions to various resistance movements around Europe. After the War, Hanso became the leading purveyor of high-technology armaments for NATO.
After decades of keeping the world safe through the development of sophisticated weapons systems, Hanso turned his attention to critical areas of science and technology - always searching for new ways to improve the human experience, and create a brighter future for all humanity.
Still running his vast network of companies, Hanso has set new standards for philanthropy and the support of pure scientific research for the betterment of the entire race.

“From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible.”

An Ascended Master is an individual who has undergone the process of ascension. Throughout history, there have been stories of these individuals who have reached a higher state of spiritual awareness and placed themselves in service to humanity.
They are also said to have undergone a process of spiritual transformation, they are attentive to the spiritual growth of humanity and also act as guides to humanity’s spiritual growth.

The possess the ability to reincarnate. It is also said that if one were to ascend while leaving a daughter behind, that female and the females of many of those descending generations have the ability to immacuately conceive.

They can also take on many physical forms and change their appearance. I am implying that Alvar Hanso is an ascended Master. I believe that the arrangement of the people on the island has something to do with collecting his immacuately conceived children. The show is very prominate on immacuate conception. It was mentioned that Locke was Immaculately conceived…whether you believe it or not. Claire’s baby, when she mentions that it was impossible that she was pregnant because she was on birth control. And now Sun’s baby…make a little bit of sense.

But its gets better.

There is a secret society that is said to be the most secretive society in history. They are also the most powerful and most influencial on humanity. A society founded by the Indian Emporer Asoka after his conversion to Buddhism. It is called the “Nine Unknown Men”.

“Nine Unknown Men” was founded to protect and develop knowledge and technology that would be dangerous if it fell into the wrong hands, and have been doing so ever since 270 BCE. The Nine were also charged by Asoka with manipulating the culture of India to present an image of a backwards and mystically-oriented people to the outside world in order to conceal the advanced scientific knowledge that was being accumulated within. Another motivation for Asoka to create this society was because of the alleged distruction of the Rama Empire (which is similar to Atlantis) by advanced weaponry thousands of years ago.

The Nine Unknown Men still exist today, sporadically but anonymously assisting humanity, such as providing the cure for Cholera. It is said to be a secret society that works quietly for the good of humanity.

Here’s the kicker. Each of the Nine Unknown Men are said to be Ascended Masters.

It gets better. They each have a book to keep. Each book is an accumulation of potentially hazordous information in nine specific fields. The 9 subjects of these books are as followed.

Propganda and Psychological Warfare
Physiology
Microbiology (including advanced biotechnology)
Alchemy
Communication (especially with extra-terrestrial life)
Gravitation (including the construction of the Vimana, an interstellar saucer type vehicle)
Cosmology
Light
Society (including rules concerning evolution of societies and how to predict downfalls)

Sound Familiar? I think it does. What are the projects that the Hanso Foundation is funding again?

Life Extension
Electromagnetic Research
Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
Mathematical Forecasting
Cryogenics development
Juxtapositional Eugenics
Accelerated Remote Viewing
The DHARMA Initiative.

Life Extention = Book 2,3
EM Research = Book 7,8
Extra-terrestrial = Book 5
Mathematical forecasting = Book 6 and possibly book 3
Cryogenics = 2,3
Eugenics = 9
Remote Viewing = 5,7,8

The DHARMA initiative is an intentional study of these aspects that the Nine Unknown Men have to collect data on. The only one of the subjects that the NUM aren’t studying on the island is Alchemy. That is because Alchemy is Hanso’s book. That’s why he has unlimited resources and is able to fund an operation like this.

The Nine Unknown Men are also heavy in the Buddhism and other worldly religions. This explains the I-ching prominance, the use of 108 (as it is a sacred number in Buddhism) and also the DHARMA ideals. This explains the Heiroglyphics. This explains all the culture clash on the island.

According to theory in the Buddhist religion, there is a secret lost land where the Nine Unknown Men conduct their research for the benefit of mankind as well as keeping it hidden from them. There is also a prophecy determined by one of the Dharmic wheels (the wheel of time) that refers to an armageddon-like cosmolical spiritual challenge. It’s a rapture-esqe event that is said to bring about the end of the world, except for the realm of Shambala is supposed to emurge and save the world from it. Shambala is the land in Buddhism that is said to be the place where people of higher life are gaining knowledge and power for this event. Recent belief speculate that this may be a lost land anywhere in the world, instead of just on top of the Himalayan mountains. The Island is the protectorate of this information, and also the prophecized land referred to in Buddhist belief. That’s why there is a security system to it, because the survivors arent supposed to be allowed to venture towards the secrets being held there.

Reviewing the mission statement with the congruencies highlighted...

Driven by a need for privacy and a deep-seated sense of humility, Alvar Hanso has released few details of his personal life to the public. He first made his mark during the Second World War, providing munitions to various resistance movements around Europe. After the War, Hanso became the leading purveyor of high-technology armaments for NATO.
After decades of keeping the world safe through the development of sophisticated weapons systems, Hanso turned his attention to critical areas of science and technology - always searching for new ways to improve the human experience, and create a brighter future for all humanity.

The VIMANA

The Vimana is an ancient flying craft said to have been used in ancient India/Egypt. It is also said to be one of the secrets contained in book 6 (gravitation) held by the Nine Unknown Men. An ancient manuscript describes how to build the Vimana is said to is said to build a device that gives…

“The secret of constructing aeroplanes,
which will not break, which cannot be
cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be
destroyed.
The secret of making planes motionless.
The secret of making planes invisible.
The secret of hearing conversations and
other sounds in enemy planes.
The secret of receiving photographs of
the interior of enemy planes.
The secret of ascertaining the direction
of enemy planes approach.
The secret of making persons in enemy
planes lose consciousness.
The secret of destroying enemy planes.

Sound like a Vimana has the ability to protect the island, but it also has the means to bring planes and other mediums down. I bet what we saw in the preview for "Lockdown" where Locke hears talking in the speaker is the Vimana detecting communication in a craft coming close to the island, and the "hatch" starts acting up because it is going to do whatever is necessary to protect the island from this nearby threat.

It is said to run off of the propulsion of electromagnetism. Here are some engineering diagrams…







these diagrams are provided courtesy of http://greatdome.net/nikkinet/vat
I apologize for any violations this created as I was unaware that these diagrams were copyrighted.


Look familiar? The hatch is a Vimana…It has all the elements of being so, including the airtight seal to it. The Vimana is supposed to be able to travel through air, space, and underwater. After all, it does have a “hatch”, which any vessel meant to travel through a different medium than land has. Hanso let DHARMA use it as a lab until someone contacted the outside world revealing some of the secrets held NUM, causing whatever to happen that dismantled DHARMA entirely. The geodesic dome that the computer is in would be the “bridge” of the Vimana, like it is said to have in ancient writings.

Some other specific intentions are unclear, but that is what the island is, what the DHARMA initiative is, and who Alvar Hanso is. If you think it sounds idiotic, picture this.

And if you think its idiotic, think about Alias, J.J. Abram’s other brain child. What did it involve plot wise that was completely out of the ordinary.
-A prophecy of the end of the world
-The prophecy coming from a dead man who predicted events perfectly 500 years in advance
-secret organizations and societies hiding it
-huge historical congruencies.

This sounds like an idea that J.J. Abrams would definitely come up with.


My other theories

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10738

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3012
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[jbus]

This sounds very interesting... I'll have to read it over when I'm awake and see if I still like it.

[SDeda1us]

As I started reading this, I just had the voices of Cuse and Lindleoff making fun of this suggestion on some future podcast. And, if they were asked about it, they probably still would. Most likely, this is totally wrong.

HOWEVER, I actually think that it brings a lot of things together better than most theories on the board. For one thing, it actually combines the spiritual side of the charcter devleopment (particularly through flashback) and the technological side.

Here are some problems though. What's up with the kidnappings? Why would Quentin Skinner be important? If this sis what Hanso is up to, does this make him a bad guy or a good guy? Also, what about willful people like Jack and Sawyer who don't want to spiritually transform? It seems that the writers want us to like them for this.

I still think that there is going to be a fnal showdown between whatever force is making them confront their past and those who refuse to change who they are, whose suffering makes them great. That's the only way I see the storyline having a consistent arc that ends somewhere interesting. Like they said on the podcast, the show isn't going to end with a guy explaining everything on a dry erase board.

[PubClear]

yeah, i dont really listen to the podcasts...i just came across this when studying for my philosophy test like 2 hours ago...i think its a great explanation of what is going on in a GENERAL sense though. I havent really thought too much about the specifics yet, i just wanted to get this out there.

I do believe however, that the Eugenics part has to do with the observations analyzing the lives of the others versus the lives of the survivors. I think that the people who were recruited for the DHARMA initiative are scientists given a false goal by DHARMA and are now, unexpectedly, part of the research just the same as the survivors. im not sure though, im pretty sure about the general idea, i need to think about it more to impliment specifics.
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[24k35h]

I like that theory alot, a semi fresh perspective, It seems that you maybe contradicted yourself saying the smoke was hanso then saying the monstor is probably something that is also being held safe on the island. That is if you assume that the mostor and the smoke are the same things?

Either way, great theory!

[PubClear]

the black smoke is not the monster
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[24k35h]

ok, so whats the black smoke and whats the moster?

[PubClear]

The black smoke is a form hanso can take (or any one of the 9 men). The monster is released as a security measure if the smoke finds something it doesnt like. The smoke is in control of the monster, and the monster is seperate from the smoke.
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[John A'Dreams]

Three things. One by definition a secret society is secret, The 9 unknowns by the amount of information you provided doesn't seem very secret at all.

Secondly, who are the other eight?

Thirdly, since you claim Abrams has already written a series about such stuff would it be likely for him to write another very similar thing?

[PubClear]

Its possible. It is his style so to speak. Not much is written about the Nine Unknown Men actually. Most of the information that involves events after their creation is all speculation. The fact is that after its creation, there really is no information about them at all. Like any secret society, they are thought to exist, but their presence is not seen. There have really only been 2 or 3 speculated intentional interactions between the Nine Unknown Men and humanity within the last 2500 years.

I dont know who the other eight are, and thats kind of the point. Like my theory about Mr. Eko, i think they may be looking for enlightened replacements (and the concept of a replacement being killed in a plane crash would immediately eliminate any suspicions of that person being involve with anything, so it is the perfect scenario for recruitment).
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[John A'Dreams]

Okay cheers! Nice to actually get a straightforward answer

[Recursive Prophet]

Well reasoned and imagined, Pubclear. You know, of course, just having finished your philosophy exam, that Socrates (#9) was accused of being a sophist-one who could make the lesser "truth" appear the greater-during his trial. You might take a peek at "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance." Some interesting insights on sophistry found there.

Are you now going to emulate Sir Andrew (alias, jj?) and entertain us with a theory d' jour? Certainly hope so. You're always a good read. Interesting how both of you approach this with an underlying religious perspective. Does this mean the end of your Big and Huge Theories? Or is this a segue into a merger? Be quite interesting so see where you go with this.-#8

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[easytorecall]

Ah yes, at last a real contender for Andrew's throne. Too bad he can't draw comics. But while I like the new title for the Huge Theory better, one needs to keep the fans in mind, and if I didn't already have your last theory on my link index I might have missed it. So you see tehporp, it is no longer Huge, but the much neglected-here anyway-William Occam who lends his name to the extention/update? of the already established Big Theory. Nice post, Pubclear. Hope we'll hear more from you during spring break. #1
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[numbercrazy]

The thing i like about this theory is that it completely takes attention off of what everyone else seems to be focusing on. I looked into it a bit, and it just seems to fit all too well...

It needs to be developed more too, because it definately can be. This is possibly the most legitimate thought at the truth of the island that any other theory on this forum (and ive been going through many of them since I logged on to this sight).

I think that the ultimate theory is the most creative, but this one is definately the most legitimate....outstanding post.