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orionshunter Lost Junkie
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: What It All Meant |
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I posted this in another thread, but I think it deserves its own thread.
As far as smokie is concerned, I think the implication was clear. The mother said to never go into the light. I think that by Jacob's brother going near the light and dying, he was punished through his fears: He wanted to leave the Island. His soul was therefore trapped on the island. Did he exist when the Egyptians were there? Probably not but a smoke monster did exist then obviously or he wouldn't have appeared in the drawing (or at least they knew what would happen if you go to the light). Remember that many people have come to the island and surely more than one person went near the light and died and was punished. The light was simply the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. You eat of the fruit and you die. That is what happened. Did others eat the fruit? Probably. The light was the knowledge of good and evil. The theme is played out all through the show. Why didn't Jack or Desmond die when they were near it? They were invited. It was their destiny. Desmond was to unplug the "cork" so Jack could kill smokie and then plug the cork back in. No one else was invited. It was much like Moses being invited up to the mountain to the burning bush. He did not die because he was invited.
As much as some people hate the idea of religious themes being in the show, the entire show was nothing but that. Redemption. Finding your purpose. Atoning for past mistakes. Learning to forgive and to let go. Finding the greater good. The island was a place to go to do just that. That's why some wanted to destroy the island. Just as there are in all religions, there are dualities. Good and evil, right and wrong, light and dark, life and death. Dualities exist all throughout nature. That is what Lost was all about--finding your way back to what your purpose is so that you are no longer Lost. In fact, I read somewhere that the writers originally wanted to leave the ending frameshot of "Lost" out of the ending to show that they were no longer Lost, but later decided to leave it to show that there were still others who were lost and needed to find there way.
What did the role of Jacob represent? The answer lies when he filled the cup with the water from the "spring of life." The water was infused with the light so it had the power to give eternal life (NOT immortality). When he handed the cup to Jack, he was anointing Jack as the new protector, king, Messiah (whatever you want to call it) of the island. Remember the story of the last passover Jesus shared with his apostles? He told them to drink of the cup because this means my body. He was anointing them as future kings of his heavenly kingdom. In the same way, Jacob anointed Jack and then of course Jack did the same with Hurley.
The religious references are too hard to miss. I believe the writers tried to incorporate many different religions in the show to demonstrate that it doesn't really matter what you believe--the end result is the same. In fact, isn't that what Jacob and his brother were talking about on the beach? "It always ends the same."
I think the show ended beautifully. Not all questions were answered but that is how life is. Who knows all the answers? It is left to our interpretation--just as religion is. But it all still ends the same: We all die. In the end, all that matters is what you accomplished in your life and the people that meant the most to you and Jack finally realized that in the end and was able to move on to......??? Heaven, Nirvana, reincarnation? Again, just like religion and life, it's open to interpretation. It doesn't matter because it really does all end the same way.
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meadayaffidly Lost Newbie
Joined: 28 May 2010 Posts: 5 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: What It All Meant |
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| OMG, that is hilarious and scary all at the same time. I think they stole some of Quadzillas moves though |
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seanwon I pressed the button
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: What It All Meant |
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| meadayaffidly wrote: | | OMG, that is hilarious and scary all at the same time. I think they stole some of Quadzillas moves though |
Congrats on your new username Samuel123!! _________________
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maypost I turned the key

Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 2403 Location: North, South, East, West, and all around; then down to the underground!
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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The op was great!
I truly enjoied reading it and I agree with a large amount of it. Great summary of what was going on with Jacob and Smokie. Thanks for sharing your views! _________________
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greengrown713 I am Him

Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 5196 Location: The Sideways
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Ever think the light just kills you and he became a smokey b/c Jacob through him in there (and couldn't kill him) so he instead of dying he got messed up and turned into a smokey....? In other words, he turned into that b/c mother made it so he couldn't be killed by Jacob...and Jacob threw him in there...so when he was about to die like a normal person instead his soul wouldn't die and latched onto the light/energy somehow and came flying out a smoke monster. _________________ dun
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lechuck Lost Aficionado
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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It was just the simplest and the stupidist ending possible. They made an idiot out of us showing an alternate life for a whole season and they made everything that we watched for 5 years obselete.
I can't believe that there can be any lost fan who liked a piece of the 6th season, I guess probably you can't just accept that you watched this $#!% for 6 years and ended like this, thus you try to convince yourself into liking it. _________________
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originalgoat Lost Aficionado
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| lechuck wrote: | It was just the simplest and the stupidist ending possible. They made an idiot out of us showing an alternate life for a whole season and they made everything that we watched for 5 years obselete.
I can't believe that there can be any lost fan who liked a piece of the 6th season, I guess probably you can't just accept that you watched this $#!% for 6 years and ended like this, thus you try to convince yourself into liking it. |
Sorry lechuck, but the topic of this post was not "a place to whine like a little girl." Please find that thread to make posts like this. Thanks.
(Or you could just save your breath - you'll need it to blow up your date.) |
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orionshunter Lost Junkie
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| lechuck wrote: | It was just the simplest and the stupidist ending possible. They made an idiot out of us showing an alternate life for a whole season and they made everything that we watched for 5 years obselete.
I can't believe that there can be any lost fan who liked a piece of the 6th season, I guess probably you can't just accept that you watched this $#!% for 6 years and ended like this, thus you try to convince yourself into liking it. |
How sad you are. The ending was beautiful. If you can't see the beauty that was Lost then how dare you call yourself a fan. Shame on you. |
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Skot23 Lost is my Life
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| orionshunter wrote: | | lechuck wrote: | It was just the simplest and the stupidist ending possible. They made an idiot out of us showing an alternate life for a whole season and they made everything that we watched for 5 years obselete.
I can't believe that there can be any lost fan who liked a piece of the 6th season, I guess probably you can't just accept that you watched this $#!% for 6 years and ended like this, thus you try to convince yourself into liking it. |
How sad you are. The ending was beautiful. If you can't see the beauty that was Lost then how dare you call yourself a fan. Shame on you. |
I can understand why people didn't like the ending. I wasnt happy with it and still not 100% But i'm not going to let myself feel like I wasted 6 years of watching and thinking about everything that was Lost. So maybe some people do need to convince themselves they like it or maybe they are just positive thinking and like to look at the good things that Lost showed us, especially the ending. It wasn't what anyone expected but it was still nice none the less. The biggest downfall for me is that I don't know if I could re-watch the show knowing that they don't answer most mysteries. Unless i'm watching with someone that hasnt seen it yet. _________________ Michelle Rodriguez is a butchy ho bag! |
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you_fool Lost Newbie
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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| The problem is people see the ending and for some reason think that means they were dead the whole time, when they were not... the only thing they tricked you with was showing you the island underwater in s06e01 as a red herring |
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rvanward Lost Expert
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| except it really only makes sense if they were dead the whole time. |
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Skot23 Lost is my Life
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| rvanward wrote: | | except it really only makes sense if they were dead the whole time. |
The island under water only makes sense if they were dead the whole time? I don't get that.
The tricked us in the begining by showing that to us making us think that the sideways was an alternate reality that was somehow a result of Juliet smashing the bomb which then sent all the Losties back to when they were on the plane. If that were true and the sideways wasnt a purgatory type world then it would make sense. But the sideways was a purgatory type world so it really has nothing to do with anything.
The island was the most important time in all their lives. They lived and died there. They were alive in every part of the show except for the sideways. _________________ Michelle Rodriguez is a butchy ho bag! |
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